John C. Wright ([info]johncwright) wrote,
@ 2008-03-07 20:01:00
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Signs of a Culture with No Pride in Itself
I was shocked when once I read the last poem ever written by a Spartan. It was not the last poem written before the conquest of Sparta by Phillip of Macedon; it was the last poem written before the laws of Lycurgus took over. After a certain point in time, the Spartans, who make the Nazis and Stalinists look like pikers, simply stopped having poetry in their society. The system did not allow for it. The Spartans waxed in might and power for many years, but then suffered so steep a demographic decline, that they could no longer field a force in sufficient numbers to continue to awe their slaves and neighbors.

I was thinking about the last Spartan poet when I came back from a movie recently. My impression is that the movies I want to like, don't like me. The poetry is gone from the silver screen.

Let me, off the top of my head, just mention a few films that I wanted to like, but which were marred by pointless insults against my religion, my country, my way of life.

STAR WARS REVENGE OF THE SITH — “Only a Sith speaks in absolutes” This is a slur against those of us who are not moral relativists. The line was pointless, not part of the plot, because the character speaking it had been tempted to the Dark Side of the Force by lines the author himself meant to be taken as relativistic sophistry.

HAPPY FEET — Dancing cartoon penguins with a cute idea: we are to animals what UFO sitings are to us. For no particular reason in the middle of the film, the tribal elders insist the penguins starve in order to honor their Great Penguin Spirit. Once again religion is the bad guy. The line was pointless, as this was not a plot point established beforehand or followed up after.

STARSHIP TROOPERS — Based on a SF novel by the dean of SF, Robert Heinlein, hardly a conservative by any measure. The men who made this movie made its message the opposite of the message of the book. The anti-military, anti-Americanism, the sheer contempt dripping from every frame of the film make it nigh-unwatchable.

BEOWULF — hulking heroes with huge swords wrestle naked against CGI monsters. How can you mess this one up? For no particular reason, Christianity is scoffed at as worthless, a religion of weaklings, and only men pissing are discussing it. The one convert wearing a cross bigger than the one Christ hung on is seen repeatingly beating his slave.

SUPERMAN RETURNS — Truth, Justice and All That Jazz.

JUMPER — another science fiction extravaganza based on a book I rather liked. In the book, the main bad guy was a Palestinian terrorist who kills the main character’s mother. In the movie, the main bad guy was a religious fanatic, from that religion (guess which one?) responsible for the Spanish Inquisition, who kills people with a knife for no particular reason. The Muslim bad guy is now a Christian bad guy.

V FOR VENDETTA — I loved this comic book. I was warned against seeing this movie by Liberals, who loudly and enthusiastically said it was a timely condemnation of George Bush. All this was a pointless addition, because the source material did not have that in it.

STARDUST — This fine book by Neil Gaiman did not have a cross-dressing gay pirate as one of its characters. Again, the insertion of this little bit of pro-perversion was gratuitous, had nothing to do with the plot (except delay it) and prevented me from either seeing the movie twice, recommending it to friends, or buying it on DVD.

THE GOLDEN COMPASS — Nuff said.

And so on, and on, and on. This is just the list from off the top of my head.

This is not counting films that are deliberately trying to mock religion or trash America or preach a message of Hollywood’s lunatic brand of socialism. This is just a list of films in the lighthearted SF action genre that happened to have gratuitous insults against me and mine thrown in. They could have been removed with no damage (and in some cases, to the considerable improvement) of the plot.

Each one of these listed here are films I warned friends and relations not to go see them. These are all films I was pre-sold on liking, because they were based on books or comics I had read.

You see, I want to like these films. I want to have movies to see, to enjoy, nay, to adore. I am a movie fan. But now, every movie I watch, I wait for it. You know what I mean by it. I mean that moment which had nothing to do with the plot where the movie makers express contempt for everything I hold dear. I mean the moment when they puke on me.

No matter how much I enjoy the film, nowadays I only enjoy it with half my attention, because I am on my guard for the sucker-punch that always, always comes.

I watch my beloved movies with the attitude of a battered wife, waiting to see when the man I love will suddenly lash out and give me a black eye. The rest of the evening with him is just fine.




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[info]gillen
2008-03-08 01:22 am UTC (link)
"STAR WARS REVENGE OF THE SITH — “Only a Sith speaks in absolutes” This is a slur against those of us who are not moral relativists. "


More importantly, it is the opposite of the truth. Only the JEDI speak in absolutes. As Palpatine makes clear to Anakin, the Sith view their strength as being that have no such restrictions.

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[info]false_keraptis
2008-03-08 10:07 am UTC (link)
Too true! The writer was so blinded by ideology, he couldn't see the story he had written carried exactly the opposite message.

"From the Sith's perspective, you're evil!"

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(no subject) - [info]maliszew, 2008-03-08 03:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chrisw10, 2008-03-10 03:41 pm UTC
“Only a Sith speaks in absolutes”
[info]deansteinlage
2008-03-08 05:33 pm UTC (link)
Is he absolutely certain of this?

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Re: “Only a Sith speaks in absolutes” - [info]johncwright, 2008-03-09 07:38 pm UTC

[info]8bitbard
2008-03-08 01:30 am UTC (link)
It sucks, but it's not surprising considering that most movies are produced by what is likely a pretty insular crowd. The people responsible for these additions/mutations probably did it in order to make the stories more comprehensible to their "hive mind".

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[info]jordan179
2008-03-08 03:56 am UTC (link)
The people responsible for these additions/mutations probably did it in order to make the stories more comprehensible to their "hive mind".

You know, considering that one of the movies Mr. Wright mentioned was Starship Troopers, I could take that as implying that at least that movie was Pseudo-Arachnid produced propaganda ;-)

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[info]randallsquared
2008-03-08 01:37 am UTC (link)
_V For Vendetta_ was, in comic book form, a timely condemnation of Margaret Thatcher. It would seem pointless to continue that now that she's been out of office so long, no?

As for _Stardust_, I haven't read the book, but most people I know personally who watched the film thought that the cross-dressing gay pirate was one of the best, funniest things about the film, which otherwise seemed to take itself rather seriously for a comedy. (Oh, it wasn't supposed to be a comedy? Hm...).

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Re "V For Vendetta"
[info]harrisaa
2008-03-08 02:15 am UTC (link)
The British are still terrified of Margaret Thatcher. An episode of the 2nd season of the new "Doctor Who" series had the main character reference thusly: "Margaret Thatcher -- Brrr!" as if she was some horrible demon. She's become their Nixon...

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[info]semblance7
2008-03-08 02:20 am UTC (link)
"The rest of the evening with him is just fine." Priceless!

Who, John Wright, in our case is the batterer? By whom have we been cowed? There are the obvious - the secularists, the oligarchs, the politically correct. I'm truly curious to know your thoughts.

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[info]sce2aux
2008-03-08 02:25 am UTC (link)
I stopped respecting movies after the plot of Sum of all Fears was twisted towards neonazi's from radical Islam.

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[info]harrisaa
2008-03-08 03:14 am UTC (link)
I've stopped respecting movies ever since... well, to tell you the truth, I don't think I've ever respected them. A childhood in the 70s taught me that the movies, as well as the rest of the entertainment media, will inevitably let you down.

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Yes...but sometimes the battered wife flinches at nothing.
[info]lordbrand
2008-03-08 03:54 am UTC (link)
I disagree on Superman Returns. The newspaperman who says the line is not portrayed positively in that moment.

I also think it's a fairly conservative movie - he's lost because he abandoned his woman and is now full of regret and again tempted by selfishness, ultimately to die to return to honor.

Superman Returns is a fine fine film.

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Re: Yes...but sometimes the battered wife flinches at nothing.
[info]lordbrand
2008-03-08 03:56 am UTC (link)
And I think you might be misreading Starship Troopers as well. It's certainly not PRO-military - but it is not so simply anti-military either.

A weird but worth parody of a book I found less than I remembered on last reading.

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On the Bounce! - [info]arhyalon, 2008-03-08 06:11 pm UTC
Re: On the Bounce! - [info]lordbrand, 2008-03-08 09:19 pm UTC
Re: On the Bounce! - [info]carbonelle, 2008-03-09 06:43 am UTC
Re: On the Bounce! - [info]joethelionn, 2008-03-25 09:39 am UTC
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Re: On the Bounce! - [info]joethelionn, 2008-03-25 09:36 am UTC

[info]jordan179
2008-03-08 03:54 am UTC (link)
STAR WARS REVENGE OF THE SITH — “Only a Sith speaks in absolutes” This is a slur against those of us who are not moral relativists. The line was pointless, not part of the plot, because the character speaking it had been tempted to the Dark Side of the Force by lines the author himself meant to be taken as relativistic sophistry.

Total agreement. What's worse, the statement is self-contradictory: it's along the lines of "It should be a crime to believe in intellectual intolerance."

HAPPY FEET — Dancing cartoon penguins with a cute idea: we are to animals what UFO sightings are to us. For no particular reason in the middle of the film, the tribal elders insist the penguins starve in order to honor their Great Penguin Spirit. Once again religion is the bad guy. The line was pointless, as this was not a plot point established beforehand or followed up after.

I disagree. IMO the film made very clear to the careful viewer that the self-discipline of Gwinism was absolutely necessary to the survival of the Emperors under the harsh conditions of their winter incubatory season -- note that Mumbles himself nearly died, and was effectively maimed for life, in consequence of his father's momentary failure. Noah and the Elders were not malign; they were simply faced with a situation (the human over-fishing) which was beyond their understanding, the same way that we might if ultra-advanced interstellar aliens came to our System and started (say) draining half our Sun's energy output for their own purposes.

Mumbles was extraordinarily intelligent and adaptive for an Emperor Penguin, but the reasons for this were carefully established in the course of the movie, and despite this even he never really understood the humans. Why should the Elders, who had never ventured to the Forbidden Shore nor ever seen a human, have been able to conceive of what was actually happening?

STARSHIP TROOPERS — Based on a SF novel by the dean of SF, Robert Heinlein, hardly a conservative by any measure. The men who made this movie made its message the opposite of the message of the book. The anti-military, anti-Americanism, the sheer contempt dripping from every frame of the film make it nigh-unwatchable.

A hideously bad movie. When one wishes to criticize something, it is best to understand what one criticizes. Vorhoeven understood neither the book, nor military tactics, nor military culture. It only looks plausible to someone who is also similarly ignorant. What's worse, some of its major criticisms of the military are based on things he got dead wrong about the institution.

SUPERMAN RETURNS — Truth, Justice and All That Jazz.

I liked it, save for one point.

Superman would never have been so stupid and thoughtless as to abandon his family and friends for years without an explanation. I'm not even talking about Lois Lane, I'm talking about his foster parents. The film would have worked better if his absence had been involuntary (say, an enemy had tossed him into the Phantom Zone or something like that).

I agree with you that Hollywood likes to randomly insult America and the West. I'd argue that they've been doing this for a long time, starting in the late 1960's / early 1970's.



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[info]lordbrand
2008-03-08 03:59 am UTC (link)
Again, I think you're looking at Starship Troopers too seriously. Like Robocop, it's not a direct satire. I don't think his criticisms are unironic.

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[info]dirigibletrance
2008-03-08 08:00 am UTC (link)
Hey... I really liked Stardust. I thought it was fantastically shiny.

Most of the movie takes place in Elfland, also. I can forgive some bizarre (and really funny) behavior by Robert Deniro because of that.

I loved V for Vendetta, also. Yes, there was definitely some anti-Bush sentiment in there. Ultimately, however, it seemed more a movie against fascism in general. Besides, seeing Natalie Portman on screen makes up for alot of wrongdoing.

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[info]lordbrand
2008-03-08 03:21 pm UTC (link)
Plus it's not like Deniro has an affair with a man or something.

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[info]lordbrand
2008-03-08 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Another good example of let downs like this is Night of the Living Dead vs any later Romero movie. It's like he flipped his core philosophy.

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[info]frobojoe
2008-03-08 05:48 pm UTC (link)
I won't try to defend any of the other movies (mostly because they're all bad), but you should really give V for Vendetta a chance. I, at least, didn't catch any anti-Bush sentiment in the movie, but I imagine it's the kind of thing you could find if you want it to be there, much like the anti-Bush that was present in 300.

I know this is taking the word of some guy on the internet, but it's really a very, very good movie and you should really at least give it a chance.

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[info]missjeanevil
2008-03-08 08:18 pm UTC (link)
I stopped trusting movies based on books when Disney took two of my favourite childhood books, "The Book of Three" and "The Black Cauldron" and combined them into one big mishmash of a film. Thus ended movie innocence. :)

BTW what WAS the last Spartan poem?

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[info]plastic_yank
2008-03-08 11:48 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I'd just like to see a film where the good and benevolent Empire destroys the evil and seditious Rebellion, just to shake things up a bit, as Frozone would say.

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[info]m_francis
2008-03-09 02:26 am UTC (link)
Personally, I'd just like to see a film where the good and benevolent Empire destroys the evil and seditious Rebellion, just to shake things up a bit, as Frozone would say.

That'll happen right after the film in which the Little Guy suing the Big Corporation turns out to be running a con, and the Activist Champion helping out is a cynical manipulator.

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[info]omegamythos
2008-03-09 03:24 pm UTC (link)
In STARDUST, I found it ironic that the boy is taught to become a man by someone who is effectively a parody of manhood.

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[info]mrmandias
2008-03-10 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Let me, off the top of my head, just mention a few films that I wanted to like, but which were marred by pointless insults against my religion, my country, my way of life.

Amen. Movies should come rated with stars for quality and cringes for pointless asides.

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We are all siths!
[info]mr_feathertop
2008-03-10 06:57 pm UTC (link)
Bravo!

"Only a Sith speaks in absolutes"

This, of course, means that the speaker is also a sith on account of this statement being a fine example of an absolute.

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Re: We are all siths!
[info]aries_jordan
2008-03-14 05:46 pm UTC (link)
"Only a Sith speaks in absolutes"

Spoken by the man who let his former best friend slowly and horribly burn to death (as far as he knew). Can't a jedi ever see the situation where a merciful blaster shot to the head is the right thing to do?

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Where did the poetry go?
[info]xander25
2008-03-11 02:13 pm UTC (link)
To be fair, there are some movies from the present day where you may find at least a small glimmer of poetry. Watch a boy learn courage in Secondhand Lions, a woman in Ultraviolet care for a child like she would her own, a teenager in Donnie Darko sacrifice himself for all he loves, a faith restored in a longtime friend in Batman Begins, and let's not even bring up The Incredibles.

But alas, in the movies and TV shows of the 80s and prior to the 80s, poetry was the rule not the exception. Compare even The Next Generation to the new Battlestar Galactica. I was watching some of those old episodes this week. I found myself continually astonished. It actually had character (and characters!). Sure the writing in the new BSG is great, but I stopped caring about the show when realized I didn't care about any of the characters (excepting Boomer, the elder Adama, and Pres. Rosalyn).

I am convinced that moderns do not know anything about poetry. I heard one reviewer complaining that the TV show Beauty and the Beast was too poetic. Conservatives are no exception (and on occasion tend to be the worst offenders - I think far too often they have a tendancy to mistake good manners for political correctness...talk of love as softness). I have one strange conservative friend who goes on about duty...and then turns around and suggests that everyone should do whatever (be it morally right or not) they want. One radiohost (whom I no longer listen to) actually thinks that an argument shouted carries more weight than one that is not.

Back to the topic, check out V: The Miniseries or Ladyhawke or any number of 80s classics.

One last question: after a steady stream of 80s sword & sorcery flicks...where did the fantasy in cinema go?

Edited at 2008-03-11 02:30 pm UTC

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Re: Where did the poetry go?
[info]arhyalon
2008-03-11 10:52 pm UTC (link)
I loved Secondhand Lions!

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Re: Where did the poetry go? - [info]xander25, 2008-03-13 02:40 pm UTC
Re: Where did the poetry go? - [info]arhyalon, 2008-03-14 12:46 am UTC
Re: Where did the poetry go? - [info]howling_wolf, 2008-03-14 03:02 pm UTC
You can't judge a book by its cover
[info]ladyhobbit
2008-03-11 07:33 pm UTC (link)
"No matter how much I enjoy the film, nowadays I only enjoy it with half my attention, because I am on my guard for the sucker-punch that always, always comes.

"I watch my beloved movies with the attitude of a battered wife, waiting to see when the man I love will suddenly lash out and give me a black eye. The rest of the evening with him is just fine."

I know this feeling so well, that sense of weariness--here they go again.

Did you ever read the graphic novel of Road to Perdition? I liked the movie version, but luckily I saw it before reading the book; once I had read the book, I realized that the adapters botched the ending. When I listened to the commentary track on the DVD, I realized that the filmmakers had absolutely no idea why the story was so powerful. The whole concept of repentance was alien to them.

On a totally different subject, I went to Barnes and Noble to get the paperback edition of Titans of Chaos and found that the store had several copies of the version with the wrong title on the spine. I actually had to get a clerk to help me look for the book--I really thought it was Fugitives! She immediately saw that the picture was the Titans of Chaos picture. (I guess I'm just more focused on words.)

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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover
[info]arhyalon
2008-03-11 10:51 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, John's editor said that they were going to reprint it, but if so, we haven't seen the reprinted version yet. What a shame if it doesn't sell because of this.

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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover - [info]ladyhobbit, 2008-03-12 01:25 am UTC
Re: You can't judge a book by its cover - [info]arhyalon, 2008-03-12 02:02 pm UTC
Re: You can't judge a book by its cover - [info]ladyhobbit, 2008-03-13 05:00 pm UTC
Re: You can't judge a book by its cover - [info]howling_wolf, 2008-03-13 02:32 pm UTC
Re: You can't judge a book by its cover - [info]ladyhobbit, 2008-03-13 05:02 pm UTC

[info]fengi
2008-03-14 05:29 pm UTC (link)
Dude, I cannot believe you left out Deuce Bigelow: European Gigelo.

And I expect when you see Horton Hears A Who you might plotz yourself.

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[info]keithmm
2008-03-14 10:07 pm UTC (link)
BEOWULF — hulking heroes with huge swords wrestle naked against CGI monsters. How can you mess this one up? For no particular reason, Christianity is scoffed at as worthless, a religion of weaklings, and only men pissing are discussing it. The one convert wearing a cross bigger than the one Christ hung on is seen repeatingly beating his slave.

You mean the one convert other than the queen (seen wearing a cross during the latter part of the film, and accompanied by a priest or monk), who was also far more noble than either of the kings she'd been married to, who selflessly risked her own life to save that of the woman who'd been sleeping with her husband?

Yeah, made all Christians look bad that did. Still, I suppose willful blindness about things that don't support your position is understandable.

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[info]torrain
2008-03-15 02:39 am UTC (link)
Ohhhh, hadn't heard about that. Thanks for the heads-up.

(I was thinking of catching it purely for the CGI, but it's nice to hear that apparently there's a female character who's somewhat functional in it.)

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neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket
[info]krinndnz
2008-03-16 07:57 am UTC (link)
[...] if you have not noticed yet, normal people recoil in disgust from homosexuality precisely because it is disgusting. Normal parents do not want their children exposed to sexual perversions precisely because perversions are perverse and children are innocent.

You can beg, if you wish, or attempt by sweet reason to argue normal people into approving of abnormality, but I, for one, am wary enough to notice that calls for toleration have devolved into strident demands for approval.

But we, the normals, non-twisted people, we do not approve. Pity, yes; showing this to our children, no.
If you have not noticed yet, normal people recoil in disgust from ketchup on hot dogs precisely because it is disgusting. Normal parents do not want their children exposed to tautologies because tautologies are tautologies!

You can beg, if you wish, or attempt by sweet reason to argue this plate of calamari didn't create all terrestrial life, but I, for one, am wary enough to notice that calls for common sense have devolved into strident demands for evidence!

But we, the True Scotsmen, the Little-Endians, we do not approve. Demand your tolerance, when we insisted bushes speak and phantom limbs correct grain prices, sure; listening to you and your so-called "blissful romance" ... never.




Additionally, I have to look at the enthusiasm for Beowulf and Heinlein's Starship Troopers and the "My tastes are simple, and bloodthirsty. Swordfights. Swordfights! Struck with a snickersnee, cut with a cutlass, hacked with a hangar, gouged with a glaive impaled with an epee! SWORDFIGHTS!" and wonder - what makes war and violence so much more acceptable and praiseworthy subjects for art than love? Are fags worse for society than war? Is Mapplethorpe, in your view, a worse influence on viewers than Peckinpah?

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[info]pagadan
2008-03-19 03:29 am UTC (link)
STARDUST — This fine book by Neil Gaiman did not have a cross-dressing gay pirate as one of its characters. Again, the insertion of this little bit of pro-perversion was gratuitous, had nothing to do with the plot (except delay it) and prevented me from either seeing the movie twice, recommending it to friends, or buying it on DVD.

I hadn't read the book, which is a good thing, so that didn't bother me, and I thought the actor did a great job; but I really hate it when they butcher books, as they did in a recent version of Captains Courageous. (They made the boy an orphan and killed Dan.)

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Children of Men
[info]leba8
2008-03-26 12:29 pm UTC (link)
Good book, all moral imperatives ignored in the movie. The christian contribution to the small group fleeing governmental notice was replaced by a pagan-esque element. The spiritual consequences of a complete lack of fecundity were brushed aside.

Though I enjoyed the movie, I found the changes demoralising (heh heh heh).

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