John C. Wright ([info]johncwright) wrote,
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Angels and Demons
Golly. I thought ANGELS AND DEMONS by Dan Brown would turn out to be just an ordinary run-of-the-mill Catholic-bashing hate-fest. But, no, the whoppers told strain credulity. Do people actually know that little about history? It seems that they do.

Here is what I picked up here and here.

Brown claims: Copernicus was murdered by the Catholic Church.
Fact: Copernicus died quietly in bed at age 70 from a stroke, and his research was supported by Church officials; he even dedicated his masterwork to the Pope.

Brown claims: “Antimatter is the ultimate energy source. It releases energy with 100% efficiency.”
Fact: CERN, the lab which plays an important role in his story, actually debunked this claim on their website: “The inefficiency of antimatter production is enormous: you get only a tenth of a billion of the invested energy back.”

Brown claims: Churchill was a “staunch Catholic.”
Fact: Any history buff could tell you that Churchill wasn’t Catholic, he was Anglican; nor was he particularly religious. The only things Churchill was staunch about were cigars, whiskey, and defending the British Empire.

Brown claims: Pope Urban VII banished Bernini’s famous statue The Ecstasy of St. Teresa “to some obscure chapel across town” because it was too racy for the Vatican.
Fact: The statue was actually commissioned by Cardinal Cornaro specifically for the Cornaro Chapel (Brown’s “obscure chapel”). Moreover, the sculpture was completed in 1652 — eight years after Urban’s death.

Brown claims: Bernini and famed scientist Galileo were members of the Illuminati.
Fact: The Illuminati was founded in Bavaria in 1776. Bernini died in 1680, while Galileo died in 1642 — more than a century before the Illuminati were first formed.

The idea that Copernicus was murdered by the Church is just too stupid for words. I mean, I have a pretty low threshold when it comes to Illuminati fiction. I love that 'secret-history' stuff.

I am not a hard sell. If you want to put in your book that Atlantis was a superhightech civilization destroyed by the extra-dimensional Eddorians in order to thwart Arisian attempts to breed mankind to create the Kwisatz Haderach, child of the Lens and the father of the race that will rule the Sevagram, I will suspend my disbelief like it was bouyant with helium.

You want to establish that a race of robots hidden in a secret base in Mount Ararat has been guiding human history since the time of Enoch, I am your man.

You want to say the Freemasons (who built the temple of Solomon) are the archenemies of the Slavemasons (who build the Great Pyramid of Cheops) have been fighting a duel to place or remove feng-shui-significant stonehenge, monuments, and Cathedrals at goethermal accupuncture points across Europe, Asia and the New World since the Bronze Age, and that all major wars and architectural firms are under their control, and involved in a secret aeons-old Cold War to prevent the telluric current from destroying this world as unwise abuses of the geomancy of the canals of Mars did that remote, dying world? Sure!

Shiwan Khan is actually a time-travelling alien from planet Mongo, granted eternal youth by the powers of alchemy, and he long ago replaced the royal family of England with Life-Model-Decoys which he controls with the ten magic rings he found in the wreckage of a spaceship from planet Maklu IV? Why not?

Lord Byron was a vampire? You would have to pay me money not to believe that.

Queen Elizabeth ran of coven of witches whose stormcrafty drowned the Aramda of Philip of Spain, after he had secretly adopted the practice of mass human sacrifice from his wife who was secretly an Aztec princess in order to gain magical control of an entire hemisphere's worth of demon-cursed Mexican gold? Not only possible, but likely!

The entire Middle Ages is an elaborate fraud perpetrated by the Roman Empire, which never fell but simply went into hiding once Virgil the Magician discovered the tunnels leading to Pellucidar in the Hollow Earth? Seems reasonable to me!!

The US Congress killed and replaced by shape-changing seals from the Dreamlands who talk like movie pirates? Brother, I wrote it!

But the Catholic Church MURDERED Copurnicus? Oh, my aching back. He was a churchman himself: why not simply order him to recant his findings?




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[info]varyar
2009-05-01 07:34 pm UTC (link)
Churchill? Catholic?

Catholic? Churchill?

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[info]fpb
2009-05-01 08:52 pm UTC (link)
As a matter of fact, Churchill was a Christian. The fact is often denied because he was very poor at practising and church-going, but there is a particularly significant passage in, I think, My Early Life, in which he makes an argument that only a firm supernaturalist and believer in Revelation could make: being made aware of the great nineteenth-century assault on the historicity of the Gospels - then at the height of its influence - he said something like: if you receive an important letter from a distant place, it is not very important to know by what by-ways it reached you. In other words, if you please, he simply asserted that the Gospel was a "letter" straight from God, whether or not it was a historical document. "I tell you, the tax gatherers and the prostitutes enter the kingdom of God ahead of you... I have never seen such faith in Israel".

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(no subject) - [info]varyar, 2009-05-01 08:54 pm UTC
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[info]dirigibletrance
2009-05-01 09:50 pm UTC (link)
Or, if you prefer, Cathill Churchlic.

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[info]starshipcat
2009-05-01 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Or as Marion Zimmer Bradley was wont to say, suspension of disbelief does not mean hanging it by the neck until dead.

Errors of fact that could be corrected by even casual research into sources that should be available in even a small library are inexcusable.

The trick is to make things so silly and over the top that it's a nudge-wink from the author that "of course I'm having you on, come along for the ride" rather than "I didn't bother to do my homework."

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[info]headnoises
2009-05-02 01:38 am UTC (link)
*lol* Love it! I am SO going to have to use that....

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[info]bibliophile112
2009-05-01 08:09 pm UTC (link)
Brown claims: “Antimatter is the ultimate energy source. It releases energy with 100% efficiency.”
Fact: CERN, the lab which plays an important role in his story, actually debunked this claim on their website: “The inefficiency of antimatter production is enormous: you get only a tenth of a billion of the invested energy back.”

Well this depends on how you look at it. Compared to the energy invested to create it with current tech, yes, its massively inefficient. However if you mean energy efficient in in the sense of energy density, or energy left in the byproducts (as known to modern physics), then mass for mass, antimatter gives the most.

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[info]jordan179
2009-05-01 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Yes, which makes it a potent energy store, not source. The important difference is that any energy one stores in antimatter must first have been harvested or generated by some other means.

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Antimatter efficiency - [info]rlbell, 2009-05-03 12:01 am UTC
Ninja Catholics?
[info]xander25
2009-05-01 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Let's not even forget about the Vatican's possible ties to one of Japan's most mythical warriors, the ninja: http://shinkentaijutsu.com/content/bujinkan.php

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Re: Ninja Catholics?
[info]dirigibletrance
2009-05-01 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Ninja Catholic Cyborgs.

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Re: Ninja Catholics? - [info]fpb, 2009-05-01 08:47 pm UTC
Re: Ninja Catholics? - [info]dirigibletrance, 2009-05-01 09:48 pm UTC
Re: Ninja Catholics? - [info]noahdoyle, 2009-05-03 05:38 am UTC
Re: Ninja Catholics? - [info]m_francis, 2009-05-01 11:15 pm UTC
Re: Ninja Catholics? - [info]headnoises, 2009-05-02 01:39 am UTC
Or the Samurai Saint! - [info]deiseach, 2009-05-02 11:30 am UTC
Re: Or the Samurai Saint! - [info]matt_robare, 2009-05-03 07:18 pm UTC

[info]fpb
2009-05-01 08:44 pm UTC (link)
If you do not turn the whole Freemason/Slavemason idea into a full-scale novel or novel cycle, I will sue you all the way to the Supreme Court for wasting a great natural resource (your imagination).

On the other hand, HANDS OFF THE SECRET ROMAN EMPIRE IDEA! It's mine, I tell you! Mine! 8-)

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[info]m_francis
2009-05-01 11:24 pm UTC (link)
On the other hand, HANDS OFF THE SECRET ROMAN EMPIRE IDEA! It's mine, I tell you! Mine! 8-)

Tibi super "Imperium Romanum occultum" narrem; sed tunc igitur te necem.

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*is stunned by the awesomeness* - [info]deiseach, 2009-05-02 11:41 am UTC
Re: *is stunned by the awesomeness* - [info]mrmandias, 2009-05-04 03:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]johncwright, 2009-05-06 09:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_entity, 2009-05-11 08:55 pm UTC
Antimatter
[info]jordan179
2009-05-01 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Brown claims: “Antimatter is the ultimate energy source. It releases energy with 100% efficiency.”

Fact: CERN, the lab which plays an important role in his story, actually debunked this claim on their website: “The inefficiency of antimatter production is enormous: you get only a tenth of a billion of the invested energy back.”


Right. Since antimatter doesn't occur in harvestable quantities anywhere near our region of spacetime (fortunately, or we'd be drowning in gamma rays), antimatter must be artificially produced, making it a power storage rather than power generation system -- in other words, a nuclear "capacitor." Even though we might someday develop more efficient means of antimatter production and annihilation, according to the Laws of Thermodynamics we could never get even 100% of the energy back, no matter how good our technology became.

Among the many things Dan Brown obviously doesn't get is physics. Even at the most elementary level!

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Re: Antimatter
[info]sun_stealer
2009-05-09 12:04 am UTC (link)
Dan Brown just makes things up, one is almost in awe of his ability to mass produce cow flop with a complete disregard of artistic integrity.

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[info]bojojoti
2009-05-01 09:27 pm UTC (link)
I have no respect for fiction that masquerades as truth, especially when it has an agenda bent on distortion and destruction of the truth.

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[info]adamjaskie
2009-05-02 12:30 am UTC (link)
I didn't realize it was masquerading as truth. I thought it was all pretty typical pulp fiction trash, and just happened to do a lot of Catholic-bashing. It's all pretty silly, really, and I think the real problem is that people take it way too seriously. It's meant to kill a bit of time reading and entertain. If you don't like it, don't read it. I read one of his books, didn't think it was anything special, and haven't read anything else by Brown.

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(no subject) - [info]harrisaa, 2009-05-02 01:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]m_francis, 2009-05-02 05:44 am UTC
There's even worse - [info]deiseach, 2009-05-02 03:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adamjaskie, 2009-05-02 03:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bojojoti, 2009-05-02 07:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adamjaskie, 2009-05-02 03:52 pm UTC
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[info]jordan179
2009-05-01 09:30 pm UTC (link)
Brown claims: Bernini and famed scientist Galileo were members of the Illuminati.

Fact: The Illuminati was founded in Bavaria in 1776. Bernini died in 1680, while Galileo died in 1642 — more than a century before the Illuminati were first formed.


Brown obviously conflates the Illuminati with the Freemasons. Which would be excusable if the occult history of the Freemasons, etc. wasn't one of the main focii of his book. That would be like Herman Melville confusing whales with sharks, and trying to write Moby Dick from such an error.

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[info]fpb
2009-05-02 04:04 am UTC (link)
Even so, the Freemasons in their historical form did not coalesce until the 1710s, when Bernini and Galileo had long been dead.

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If he were smart, which he isn't - [info]shana_sfo, 2009-05-02 04:32 am UTC
Re: If he were smart, which he isn't - [info]headnoises, 2009-05-02 08:46 pm UTC
Re: If he were smart, which he isn't - [info]shana_sfo, 2009-05-02 10:04 pm UTC
Re: If he were smart, which he isn't - [info]headnoises, 2009-05-02 10:06 pm UTC
Re: If he were smart, which he isn't - [info]shana_sfo, 2009-05-02 10:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]matt_robare, 2009-05-03 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]melengro, 2009-05-06 04:36 pm UTC

[info]maradydd
2009-05-01 09:52 pm UTC (link)
DIGITAL FORTRESS has some similarly terrible howlers with respect to cryptography and linguistics. Not only does he not have even the faintest grasp of either (hint: it is not possible to translate a Chinese manuscript by mixing up all the ideograms and handing them off to a panel of different translators, then reassembling them later), his ignorance and inability to research the field of computer security also extends to the people in the field, the sort of thing one could easily research by reading Steven Levy's CRYPTO or making a few phone calls.

Case in point: in THE DA VINCI CODE, there is a character named Sophie who, Brown asserts, has worked with both Phil Zimmermann and Bruce Schneier. In real life, Phil and Bruce do not get along well at all, and there is exactly one real-world person who fits this description: my friend Jon Callas, founder and CTO of PGP, Inc.

For the record, Jon is quite pleased by the fact that Audrey Tatou played him in the film version.

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[info]eaquaelegit
2009-05-01 11:00 pm UTC (link)
This amuses me. Thank you.

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(no subject) - [info]aegd, 2009-05-07 06:43 am UTC

[info]ekbell
2009-05-01 10:44 pm UTC (link)
You might appreciate this

Being Dan Browned

Dan Browned is, in short, the result of an author making noticeable claims about how 100% factual & correct their work is, only for people to quickly find out it to be a big pile of pants (hence it being named after the...misinformed Mr Dan Brown)

(from this page ttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DanBrowned) which

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[info]mryantaylor
2009-05-02 08:28 am UTC (link)
Is there really a book involving freemasons vs slavemasons? I want to read it.

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Not yet
[info]johncwright
2009-05-06 09:35 pm UTC (link)
"Is there really a book involving freemasons vs slavemasons? I want to read it."

Nope. It is just a scattering of notes in my "to be written maybe possibly if I feel like it someday" pile. I ran a role playing game based on it once.

I wanted to call the book "Sleepwalker's World" but then I found out that Gordon R. Dickson already used that name, so I will have to think of another one.

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Re: Not yet - [info]mrmandias, 2009-05-08 07:17 pm UTC
Well, he wrote this way before the DaVinci nonsense
[info]deiseach
2009-05-02 11:23 am UTC (link)
So it's being hyped on the back of the success of the book that came after it, and I suppose it's just more of the same.

Haven't read any of Dan's stuff and don't intend to. The reviews were enough for me, on top of the fact that I'd already read "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail" and thought it was entertaining rubbish; the one that made me want to bang my head against a wall was a quick one-paragraph review in the "BBC Science" magazine, where they got a scientist from CERN to give his opinion and he basically said "Well, you do realise the science is not real, and CERN isn't like that, and it's all been made up for the purposes of the thriller plot. It's amusing, we're not offended, but don't believe it!"

Fine, good, excellent. Except in the next sentence he went on to say that gee, he never knew all this stuff about what the Catholic Church was really like. This was the part that induced a longing for brain damage in me: if you know, from your own experience, that the author knows bobbins about your field of expertise and is making it all up for the purposes of his plot, why would you imagine he suddenly turns into the one light of truth about religion?

Argh.

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[info]noahdoyle
2009-05-02 02:28 pm UTC (link)
Sigh. I'm still waiting for the book/movie with historical conspiracies and intrigue, hidden secrets and startling revelations - but with the Church as the good guys.

Oh, and Vatican SWAT teams/Swiss Guard SpecOps.

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Yeah, but what has the Church ever done for civilisation?
[info]deiseach
2009-05-02 03:25 pm UTC (link)
"Vatican SWAT teams/Swiss Guard SpecOps"

The St. Joseph of Cupertino Paratroop Regiment? :-)

The Church as the good guys - never going to happen. Best we can expect is a sympathetic priest or bishop who's nicely non-denominationally warm'n'fuzzy, in amongst the power-mad Curia.

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Re: Yeah, but what has the Church ever done for civilisation? - [info]fpb, 2009-05-02 05:48 pm UTC
Re: Yeah, but what has the Church ever done for civilisation? - [info]mentalguy, 2009-05-02 08:42 pm UTC
Church as heroic - [info]rlbell, 2009-05-03 12:22 am UTC
Re: Church as heroic - [info]plastic_yank, 2009-05-03 01:40 am UTC
Re: Yeah, but what has the Church ever done for civilisation? - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-05-09 12:15 am UTC
Re: Yeah, but what has the Church ever done for civilisation? - [info]isaiahpaul, 2009-05-09 06:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]matt_robare, 2009-05-03 07:27 pm UTC
Church Conspiracy as Good Guys - [info]johncwright, 2009-05-06 09:41 pm UTC
Re: Church Conspiracy as Good Guys - [info]noahdoyle, 2009-05-12 02:51 am UTC

[info]simonbob
2009-05-02 05:24 pm UTC (link)
I gotta ask: in your esteemed and fantastic opinion, who actually wrote Shakespeare's plays?

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[info]fpb
2009-05-02 05:49 pm UTC (link)
For the love of Heaven, don't say it out loud! Suppose Dan Brown heard you and got another idea for a thriller?

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(no subject) - [info]plastic_yank, 2009-05-03 01:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]fpb, 2009-05-03 04:21 am UTC
Wasn't it Kit Marlowe? - [info]deiseach, 2009-05-03 05:50 am UTC
No suspension of disbelief needed
[info]gray_roger
2009-05-03 09:58 pm UTC (link)
"The entire Middle Ages is an elaborate fraud perpetrated by the Roman Empire"

The Roman empire ended with the fall of Constantinople in 1453, which resulted in the "Renaissance" that ended the middle ages, but created the "Middle Ages". Today, the "Middle Ages" is an elaborate fraud, used every day by the "brights" to discredit religion in general and Christanity in particular.

And you are so right, the Kwisatz Haderach must have been an Arisian fusion. Otherwise, where did he get his vision of the Cosmic All? Paul of Arisia! How was I so blind? Waiter! More "tree of life" root.

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Re: No suspension of disbelief needed
[info]rlbell
2009-05-03 11:18 pm UTC (link)
The Renaissance is an Enlightenment fantasy to discredit the advances made by the Roman Empire between 1453 and 1805 when Napoleon finally bested the last remnant and the emperor stopped emblazoning viennese manhole covers with SPQR (Senate and People of Rome).

Maybe not. If you asked a well-to-do roman, living during the Pax Romani, when his state entered decline, he would answer that the decline started with the Struggle of the Orders and fell when plebeians won the right to appoint tribunes who could veto laws proposed by the senate (second century BC).

Any opinionated historian worth his salt can argue why the date of The Fall of the Roman Empire happened anywhere between those two extremes. When invading barbarians pensioned off the Emperor Romulus Augustulus (476AD) is often touted as The Official Date, but most roman citizens did not notice for another two, or three, hundred years. One can only imagine the confusion when Belisarius showed up to reestablish roman rule.

The manhole cover thing just shows how seriously the Hapsburgs took the title of Holy Roman Emperor.

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Re: No suspension of disbelief needed - [info]gray_roger, 2009-05-04 12:16 pm UTC
Re: No suspension of disbelief needed - [info]matt_robare, 2009-05-05 11:37 am UTC
Questor!
[info]botticelli_s
2009-05-04 12:50 am UTC (link)
Mr. Wright has now referenced Questor!

I abase myself.

Ah, the sight of Mike Farrell -- Mike Farrell -- teaching Questor how to be more "human."

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Re: Questor!
[info]johncwright
2009-05-06 09:46 pm UTC (link)
"Mr. Wright has now referenced Questor!"

I am amazed that anyone caught that reference. Congrats. It just shows that nothing is completely unknown.

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Before conversion...
[info]doc_shadow
2009-05-04 03:12 am UTC (link)
John, I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm wondering how you would have reacted prior to your conversion. I ask because you seem like the kind of guy that always found disinformation distasteful, even if you didn't agree with the person being misrepresented. Am I correct in that assessment?

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Re: Before conversion...
[info]maradydd
2009-05-06 06:33 am UTC (link)
I can't speak for John, but he strikes me as the sort of person who finds disinformation distasteful whether he agrees with the person being misrepresented or not, and whether he agrees with other things said by the person doing the misrepresenting or not.

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Re: Before conversion... - [info]johncwright, 2009-05-06 09:59 pm UTC
Re: Before conversion... - [info]doc_shadow, 2009-05-07 08:48 pm UTC

[info]mrmandias
2009-05-04 03:49 pm UTC (link)
You want to say the Freemasons (who built the temple of Solomon) are the archenemies of the Slavemasons (who build the Great Pyramid of Cheops) have been fighting a duel to place or remove feng-shui-significant stonehenge, monuments, and Cathedrals at goethermal accupuncture points across Europe, Asia and the New World since the Bronze Age, and that all major wars and architectural firms are under their control, and involved in a secret aeons-old Cold War to prevent the telluric current from destroying this world as unwise abuses of the geomancy of the canals of Mars did that remote, dying world? Sure!

Food will be but ashes in my mouth until someone writes this story. Or heck, makes the game. This would be an awesome game.

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[info]matt_robare
2009-05-05 11:25 am UTC (link)
How about a 9-novel series, major motion picture, and both video and role-playing game franchise? (Music by John Williams, produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.)

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[info]mrmandias
2009-05-04 04:20 pm UTC (link)
So what's Brown really up to?

At LAST, the truth can be told!

"Dan Brown" is the code name for a longstanding secret joint project of the Mormon Church and the Freemasons (the Mormon Church is, as everyone knows, really a synthesis of the a breakaway sect of the Eremites that has been coopted by the Magi and the Freemasons are, well, the Freemasons, if anyone ruled by the hermetically-preserved head of Solomon can be said to be free). Anyway, "Dan Brown"'s next book will reveal the *actual* secrets of the Mason and the Mormons, which will hide them in plain sight, since if "Dan Brown" says it it can't possibly be true! Poe stumbled across this secret and unwisely revealed it in his story the Tell-Tale Heart (you'd think the Purloined Letter, but you'd be wrong, that's actually about something else entirely) and so he had to be eliminated and replaced with an impostor--this fact is obvious to anyone who goes and checks the alignment of Poe's tomb at the vernal equinox.

The Shinto Vatican is letting the "Dan Brown" plot unfold without interference because the Pope who Dies refuses to release any resources from the conflict with the Trotskyist Whites to find the key to the black camel and the Last Elixir.

But what the SV PwD doesn't know is that the real "Dan Brown" plot is just a way to make enough money to finish acquiring the remainders of the Soviet nuclear arsenal, which will be used to blast the Hoover Dam into space. The Hoover Dam is mortared with the relics of martyrs worldwide, placed there by the Blue Eagle division of the CCC during the '30s, and launching it will therefore destroy the fabric of space-time and reveal the face of God. The resulting chaos will allow the Mormon/Masons to corner the wheat market and make a killing.

At least, the SV PwD *supposedly* doesn't know all this. . . .

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Dan Brown
[info]basx
2009-05-05 02:25 pm UTC (link)
John:
Another serious problem about this book is that the main character saves the Vatican but in Da Vinci Code, he becomes its enemy. What happened in between to make the main character change?

It's the lack of consistency as well as the really dumbass historical mistakes that so turn me off from every reading Dan Brown

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the face on Mars proven!!
[info]enochocoileain
2009-05-05 06:03 pm UTC (link)
an excerpt from an amazon review a certain someone wrote in 2004...

"A suggestion & request to Brown: Read the Catechism to get your Catholic Teachings correct. I gave Angels & Demons a "hall-pass" on many things he passed off as Catholic, but when I saw how badly he completely "wiffed" on the stance of the Church with regards to artificial insemination, it was clear he had not even asked a priest, let alone a lay Catholic to confirm it. For chrissake, I know what PETA's stand on fur coats is... least he could do is get this one right."

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Re: the face on Mars proven!!
[info]johncwright
2009-05-06 10:02 pm UTC (link)
an excerpt from an amazon review a certain someone wrote in 2004...

"A suggestion & request to Brown: Read the Catechism to get your Catholic Teachings correct. I gave Angels & Demons a "hall-pass" on many things he passed off as Catholic, but when I saw how badly he completely "wiffed" on the stance of the Church with regards to artificial insemination, it was clear he had not even asked a priest, let alone a lay Catholic to confirm it. For chrissake, I know what PETA's stand on fur coats is... least he could do is get this one right."

Amen! and Pax the ammunition.

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TvTropes - [info]professer_sage, 2009-05-11 03:11 pm UTC

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