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Children's Science Fiction
What Science Fiction & Fantasy books would you read to children?

This is kind of a hard question to answer because the boundaries of the genre called Science Fiction simply does not apply to the kind of books children tend to like.

For example, is ON BEYOND ZEBRA by Dr. Seuss a science fiction story? It has a conceit more imaginative than anything I have read outside the pages of VOYAGE TO ARCTURUS by Lindsay: namely, what if there were an additional alphabet, an undiscovered alphabet, beyond the boundaries of the alphabet we know. The idea is just as whimsical and imaginative as the conceit for Scott Westefeld’s MIDNIGHTERS, which asks what if there were an additional hour hidden in the crack of midnight that only certain people could enter. For that matter, how is the conceit of HORTON HEARS A WHO all that different from GIRL IN THE GOLDEN ATOM by Ray Cummings?

DOCTOR DOLITTLE’S ADVENTURES by Hugh Lofting or TREASURE ISLAND by Robert Louis Stephenson are equally beloved children’s books, even though, if we were to define SFF strictly, the veterinarian who speaks to animals is a fantasy element, his flight to the moon is a science fiction element, whereas a one-legged pirate seeking buried treasure has nothing science-fictional about it.

For children, all stories are stories, and the spice of fantasy flavors all of them. A tale about a runaway boy and an escaped slave rafting down the wide Mississippi is no less fantastic or romantic than a tale about a hobbit being hired as a burglar by a throng of dwarfs and trooping off toward the Lonely Mountain.

Keeping in mind the limitation that all children literature has that sense of wonder we grown ups expect from Science Fiction, let us try nonetheless to answer the question.

First, much depends on the age and maturity of the child involved.

For older children, let me recommend most strongly the Narnia books by C.S. Lewis. My personal favorite is VOYAGE OF THE DAWN TREADER, which I just finished reading to the kids yesterday (at the time of this writing). My life would be poorer if my five year old did not know about Reepicheep and his bravery and courtesy. Had they never seen the silvery sea at the edge of the world, overgrown with lilies, they would have missed a wonder. Since my children are Christians, they are delighted rather than disgusted to recognize Jesus dressed in a pantomime lion suit: and the points the author makes are both profound and very artfully inserted. At no point is there anything trite or trivial or condescending toward the younger reader.

Next, this recommendation will come as a surprise, but I strongly suggest reading THE GAMMAGE CUP by Carol Kendall. This was a favorite of mine when I was young, and I was surprised to discover, rereading it as an adult, how much better it is than my other remembered youthful favorites. It is parable about conformity, but also an adventure tale and a romance. I was surprised at how strongly I loved Walter the Earl, when I read about him once again, for example. Walter is a crackpot antiquarian who finds a cache of magic swords beneath his house, and dresses in plumes and armor when everyone else is dressed in sensible drabs, and he calls on all to remember the battles and glories of the by-gone years. So I should not have been surprised: by growing up, I have sort of turned into him.

Another surprise was VOYAGE TO THE MUSHROOM PLANET by Eleanor Cameron. I remembered adoring these books when I was a child, but upon rereading them, I found them flat, unimaginative, and even dull, and my children likewise. I am not sure why: the idea of the story, that children build a spaceship at the behest of a mysterious munchkin genius named Mr. Bass, is a delightful idea.

If all you know about Oz is the movie, you are in for a pleasant revelation. THE MARVELOUS LAND OF OZ by L. Frank Baum and its sequels are a joy to read. Since they were written back when books were decent, there is nothing to shock or offend in any of them. They are as full of whimsy and eccentricity as children’s books should be, but the characters, with the exception of the vain Glass Cat, are trustworthy, honest and nice. The R. John Neill illustrations are what make the books live in my imagination for me: I would never read any version which lacked them. Strangely, the first book in the series, WIZARD OF OZ, is actually the weakest and least well written of the lot. I would skip it and start with the second book. Due to my children’s prodding, I also bought other L. Frank Baum books, which are almost forgotten today except by truly devout Baum fans, such as SEA FAIRIES, and SKY ISLAND, and QUEEN ZIXI OF IX. Baum invented the art later perfected by Stan Lee of Marvel Comic, of having his characters from one tale make cameo appearances, or become regular cast members, of another tale.

WEIRDSTONE OF BRISINGAMEN by Alan Garner was too scary for my children. If yours are a little older or braver, you should try this one, and its sequel MOON OF GOMRATH.

I want to read LORD OF THE RINGS or THE HOBBIT to the kids, but I am waiting for them to be a little older. I certainly do not want them to see the Jackson movies first, lest their imaginations be filled with Jackson’s picture of characters like Aragorn, who, as we all know, looks nothing like Vitto Morgenstern. Also, the Tripods trilogy by John Christopher is on my list of books to try to read, THE WHITE MOUNTAINS, POOL OF FIRE, and CITY OF GOLD AND LEAD.

I have attempted twice to read a Tom Swift Jr. book to my young 'uns, TOM SWIFT AND HIS FLYING LAB and TOM SWIFT AND HIS JETMARINE, but the kids don't seem that enthusied. Again, maybe the spies and superscience type mystery stories is not their cup of tea. Any fan of JOHNNY QUEST should be a fan of Tom Swift Jr: they are practically the same story.

For younger children, I would recommend reading Dr. Seuss books, all but one, for the selfish reason that, if you are a grown-up reading to a child get used to reading and rereading the same book dozens and scores of times. Every book will pall after so many repetitions to jaded adult tastes, except for Dr. Seuss, who remains consistently delightful and whimsical and serious time and again.

My personal favorites are CAT IN THE HAT COMES BACK, which is almost Escher-like, I HAD TROUBLE IN GETTING TO SOLLA SOLLEW, which is almost Jack Vancian, and of course I delight in the ones that are mere flights of fancy, IF I RAN THE ZOO and SCRAMBLED EGGS SUPER and ON BEYOND ZEBRA and DR. SEUSS’ SLEEP BOOK. We read HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU every year on each birthday, solemnly using the very book grandmother read to mother when she was a child.

The one Dr. Seuss book I cannot stand is the BUTTER BATTLE BOOK, which is a thinly-disguised apologetic for Soviet dictatorship, trying to teach kiddies Carterian cowardice in the face of an arms race. I wonder what the men of Eastern Europe think now of Theodore Geisel, or of any other Western intellectual, who did his best to undermine the efforts to free them. I wonder what the ghosts of all the cruelly slain in unquiet in unmarked mass graves outside Soviet gulags think of someone who painted the difference between Freedom and Totalitarianism to be as trivial as the wars of Lilliput and Blefuscu. It were better to read Patrick Henry to a child, then to teach them such cynicism at so young an age.

THE LORAX is equally as poisonous, but there are not tens of millions of dead people insulted by it, so I can stand it enough to read it. However, I tell my kids the moral of the story is that industrialists who do not husband their resources go out of business as they deserve to; and the point of the seed at the end is to grow more Truffula trees so that the child with the seed can grow up to be the next Onceler, and manufacture Thneeds, which is something everyone needs.

What about Harry Potter? The wife and I read the first and part of the second books to our wee ones, but honestly, some parts are too scary. Harry turns into a bit of a whiner by the last two books, and I am reluctant to let my children enter into the normal hero-worship which Albus Dumbledore evokes, not if someone later on in their lives is going to tell them he is a lavender sort of mage. The attempt to make sexual perversion look normal will be hard enough to combat as my children age, without letting an agent of the forces of darkness in through the postern gate merely because he is dressed in a pointy hat and cracks a few witty jokes. Nonetheless, when the kids are a little older, I would still like them to read some of these books. I feel about Hermione and Harry and Ron the same way I feel about Reepicheep: my kid’s lives will be poorer for not having known them.

Here is what Orson Scott Card says about Harry Potter:


A story so powerful, a book so brilliant in its artistry that it has made readers out of a famously illiterate generation and struck terror in the hearts of the elite of the writing profession.

Month after month the Harry Potter books rode the top of the New York Times bestseller list. As each new book in the series appeared, it joined the others, so that the first, second, and third positions were often occupied by Harry Potter.

The American literary elite was so mortified by having the lists dominated by a children's book series that they kicked it off the NY Times list entirely, putting the Harry Potter books on a new "children's" bestseller list -- a childish, cowardly, mean-spirited move that would have discredited the NY Times list if not for the fact that it was already a joke.

What infuriates the literati? Oh, they talk about how Harry Potter is just a fad, how children's books aren't "literature," how these books are proof that English-language readers are even dumber than they thought.

But the truth is, in fact, the opposite. Unlike Pokemon or the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the Harry Potter movement is reader-driven. Kids who thought they hated to read because they had hated everything anybody tried to make them read in school suddenly became avid readers of big thick books that were extraordinarily demanding, not just in vocabulary and syntax and culture, but in moral reasoning and character development.

Harry Potter is making a generation of children smarter and better.





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Lavender Dumbledore
[info]bear545
2009-05-28 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm... I see your point about Dumbledore. But, at the same time, he appears to have had only one love in his life, which is unequivocally portrayed as a disaster, and after that there is no canon evidence that he ever found another love, or engaged in any sexual relations. His relations with Harry had no flavour of pederasty in them. His actions sound more like Courage than Gay Pride to me at least.

I have nothing but daughters, my sons never having made it out of the womb, so the reading is a little different. The younger daughter loves fairy tales. I have a few books of older fairy tales, before they got 'cleaned up' by well-intentioned numbskulls. She is also fond of Robert Munsch's Paper Bag Princess and the works of Doctor Seuss. The other daughter reads almost anything, including Nancy Drew (the writing for those stories is just brutal) and the current Twilight Series. I allow her to read Twilight only as long as she recognizes that the characters are all idiots. I read Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Narnia, and many other things to her, and now she loves reading. I try to read what she reads that we may discuss the works together and she learn my take on the works. I frown at some of her choices, but I have not yet banned any. I try to work by Pliny the Elder's dictum: I never read a book so bad I did not find some good in it. Of course, Pliny didn't face some of the books out there today...

I am happy my children read and find joy in stories.

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Re: Lavender Dumbledore
[info]headnoises
2009-05-28 11:59 pm UTC (link)
Oooh, if you like the old fairy tales, you might enjoy this web comic:
http://www.forthewicked.net
and I suspect your older daughter might enjoy:
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/info/newreader.php

Has she found the Drizzt stories, yet? The first three books, "THE DARK ELF TRILOGY," were what I found when I ran out of Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys.
Oh, and the Enchanted Forest series might be a joy to them, as well. I don't know how old she is, but if she's 14 or so ish the "Oath of Swords" book is pretty good, and you can read the first two or three at Baen's free library before you suggest them.)

If either of them like ranches or animals, the Hank the Cowdog books were "my" first series ever...I'm a ranch kid, though, so ymmv.

(On your book monitoring-- my mom did the same thing-- tried to read whatever I was reading. I loved being able to talk to her about some of the things in them, and more than once I'd get about halfway into a book and tell myself "You know, I don't really want to read this book." OTOH, the first one that I did that with was Dracula in third grade, so meh.)

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Re: Lavender Dumbledore - [info]dirigibletrance, 2009-05-29 04:19 am UTC
Re: Lavender Dumbledore - [info]headnoises, 2009-05-29 04:25 am UTC
Re: Lavender Dumbledore - [info]tielesse, 2009-05-29 05:09 am UTC
Re: Lavender Dumbledore - [info]headnoises, 2009-05-29 05:15 am UTC
Re: Lavender Dumbledore - [info]marycatelli, 2009-05-29 03:03 pm UTC
Re: Lavender Dumbledore - [info]headnoises, 2009-05-29 03:30 pm UTC
Re: Lavender Dumbledore - [info]marycatelli, 2009-05-29 07:51 pm UTC
Re: Lavender Dumbledore - [info]dirigibletrance, 2009-05-29 04:46 pm UTC
Another side to Seuss
[info]juliet_winters
2009-05-28 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Some were shocked and appalled by this revelation:

http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/

You, on the other hand, might like it!

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Re: Another side to Seuss
[info]prester_scott
2009-05-28 06:58 pm UTC (link)
Interesting him being so anti-Nazi and yet so pro-Soviet.

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Re: Another side to Seuss - [info]marycatelli, 2009-05-29 03:04 pm UTC
Re: Another side to Seuss - [info]johncwright, 2009-05-28 07:03 pm UTC
Re: Another side to Seuss - [info]juliet_winters, 2009-05-28 07:20 pm UTC
Re: Another side to Seuss - [info]dirigibletrance, 2009-05-29 04:22 am UTC
Re: Another side to Seuss - [info]marycatelli, 2009-05-29 03:05 pm UTC
Re: Another side to Seuss - [info]johncwright, 2009-05-29 07:52 pm UTC

[info]tielesse
2009-05-28 06:52 pm UTC (link)
My favorite thing about Harry Potter is the characters. They feel like old friends. Some people have complained that they are cardboard or two-dimensional, but I don't see it that way. They make the same stupid mistakes over and over--just like real people do. The good guys can be both lovable and annoying--just like the people we love and put up with in our own lives. The heroes can be judgemental, make snap decisions that go bad, be arrogant in ways that bring about their undoing, but they never fall into that grey area between darkness and light (In fact, Harry fears and resists doing so admirably.) They're always firmly on the side of good, even the ones that seem somewhere in-between. The bad guys are always firmly on the side of evil, too, and I personally think that's more realistic than the "sympathetic" villains seen in a lot of literature today. I've known a real villain or two. They weren't sympathetic. At least one destroyed everything around him, just because he loved himself so much. There's room for all sorts of villains in literature, but I never consider the undeniably evil sort "unrealistic". There are more of those in real life than we'd like to believe.

By the way, you recommend the most unusual books. I haven't even heard of most of these. :)

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[info]johncwright
2009-05-28 07:00 pm UTC (link)
"My favorite thing about Harry Potter is the characters. They feel like old friends. Some people have complained that they are cardboard or two-dimensional"

Amen to that. I love Hermione like I would my own daughter, if I had a daughter. You wonder why Harry Potter books took the world by storm? I say that lovable characters is at the heart of it.

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(no subject) - [info]tielesse, 2009-05-28 07:00 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]tielesse, 2009-05-29 05:32 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]noahdoyle, 2009-05-29 01:26 pm UTC

[info]vitruvian23
2009-05-28 07:25 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm.... partial planned reading list for my youngest, just turned 1. We'll see which titles work okay for him at which ages by trial and error.

Oz and Narnia, of course; Mary Poppins series by P.L. Travers; Wind in the Willows; Pooh; Peter Pan; The Little Prince; Dr. Seuss; the Hobbit, much earlier than LoTR; anything by Edward Eager (especially Half Magic); anything by Roald Dahl; anything by E. Nesbit (especially Five Children and It); D'Aulaire's books of both Greek and Norse myths; Edith Hamilton's retelling of Greek and Padraic Colum's of Norse myths for comparison, as well as Colum's Children's Homer; LeGuin's Earthsea trilogy; Harry Potter eventually, but also Diane Duane's Wizards series; much of Diana Wynne Jones' ouevre; pretty much all the Heinlein juveniles at some point; and many others. Neil Gaiman has written some remarkably good children's lit of late, as has Terry Pratchett. My older son quite enjoys pretty much everything by Cornelia Funke or Rick Riordan, and I tend to agree on their merits as well.

Plus lots of classic children's lit not as firmly in the SF&F camp - the Black Stallion and other Walter Farley horse books, much of Jack London, Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, and so on.

Of course, just at the moment we're more in the Good Night, Moon and Where the Wild Things Are stage, just touching on classic nursery rhymes and such.

And that's just the stuff I already have on the shelf ready for him....

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[info]kokorognosis
2009-05-28 07:38 pm UTC (link)
My mother gave me A Wrinkle In Time when I was eight. I loved it. I also liked Tom Swift.... Hmmm. Some of Andre Norton's juveniles? There is one by the name of Star Rangers that I loved in particular.

And... these are far from classics... and probably a bit older than what you're looking for... but around 11 or 12, I stumbled on the Robotech novels, by Jack McKinney, and fell in love. They're relatively clean and they're good space opera.

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[info]vitruvian23
2009-05-28 08:03 pm UTC (link)
Oh, yes, how could I have forgotten Madeleine L'Engle?

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(no subject) - [info]headnoises, 2009-05-29 12:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bojojoti, 2009-05-29 07:29 am UTC
A Favorite Wrinkle - [info]johncwright, 2009-05-29 02:52 pm UTC
Re: A Favorite Wrinkle - [info]ladyhobbit, 2009-06-01 02:35 am UTC
Andre Norton! - [info]ladyhobbit, 2009-06-01 02:29 am UTC
Re: Andre Norton! - [info]ladyhobbit, 2009-06-01 02:31 am UTC

[info]kmai
2009-05-28 08:19 pm UTC (link)
I love when people recommend John Christopher's Tripod trilogy. It was one of my favorite series growing up, yet so few people seem to have heard of it.

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a lavender sort of mage
[info]oscillon
2009-05-28 08:27 pm UTC (link)
What exactly are you saying here? We should not read books with gay characters? We should not read books where gay characters are admirable, honorable, or couragous. They can be included as long as they are villians? What?

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Re: a lavender sort of mage
[info]johncwright
2009-05-29 03:27 pm UTC (link)
"What exactly are you saying here? We should not read books with gay characters? We should not read books where gay characters are admirable, honorable, or couragous. They can be included as long as they are villians? What?"

Here is what I am saying. If what I say below is unclear, please ask, and I will explain.

I want my children to grow up knowing right from wrong. Chastity is right: sexual perversion is wrong. Homosexuality is a sexual perversion, ergo wrong. My mission in life as a father is to tell them it is wrong, but also to train their passions so that they habitually reject it as a vice. The primary tool to train the passions is the imagination: children learn virtues through stories.

Now then, arrayed against me are those who call themselves the Enlightened. I call them the Armies of Darkness. Their mission in life is to corrupt my children, to teach my children that I am wrong, and to train the passions of my children so that my children habitually recoil from making any judgments about virtue and vice, which, in effect, encourages vice. Their mission is to make vice seem normal-- To make evil seem good.

The primary tool, nay, the only tool, that the Armies of Darkness can use is the imagination. No slave of darkness is bold enough to actually debate the issue on a rational ground: those who attempt to debate it merely indulge in name-calling. Hence, debate is not a tool they can use for their goal.

The tool they use is the imagination: all that need be done to achieve the goal is to take some loathsome perversion, such as homosexuality, and to connect it, no matter how tentatively, to some beloved or amusing character.

That was what was done here.

What I am saying is that fiction written with an agenda is propaganda.

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Re: a lavender sort of mage - [info]aegd, 2009-05-29 03:38 pm UTC
What I read...
[info]drfuzz
2009-05-28 08:32 pm UTC (link)
or at least remember reading at that age...

Dolphin Island - Clarke

I, Robot - Asimov

The Heinlein Juveniles, although I didn't get a lot of stuff I understood later.

Freddy the Pig - might be a bit old fashioned

A Princess of Mars, Pirates of Venus, At the Earths Core, Tarzan of the Apes - Burroughs

Starman's Son, Star Rangers, etc - Norton

The Lightning Thief - Riordan, not Harry Potter, but not bad

lots of others I don't remember... I used to roam the kids section of the library looking for anything marked with a spaceship :D

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[info]captainpeabody
2009-05-28 08:43 pm UTC (link)
Good list; I've read a lot (but not all) of them.

A few further recommendations:

The Hardy Boys Mystery Series: what boy's youth would be complete without the crime-solving adventures of Frank and Joe Hardy, their deus-ex-machina Dad, and their fat comic-relief pal Chet?

Well, I enjoyed them, anyway.

The Redwall series: These were by far my favorites at that age; I still have a large shelf set apart for them in my bedroom, despite the fact I haven't read any of them for years. Most of the stories find the brave mice, squirrels, and other woodland creatures of Redwall Abbey facing yet another assault from a horde of evil vermin (usually some combination of weasels, rats, foxes, stoats, ferrets, and wildcats), aided by the secret Badger mountain-kingdom of Salamandastron (with legions of British-accented hares within) and the ancient spirit of the abbey's legendary founder Martin the Warrior. Sometimes Salamandastron gets attacked instead; and sometimes both are attacked in the same book. Best ones are the first two, Redwall and Mossflower, but almost all of them are worth reading. All in all, good stuff. (Eulalia!)

"Next, this recommendation will come as a surprise, but I strongly suggest reading THE GAMMAGE CUP by Carol Kendall. This was a favorite of mine when I was young, and I was surprised to discover, rereading it as an adult, how much better it is than my other remembered youthful favorites. It is parable about conformity, but also an adventure tale and a romance. I was surprised at how strongly I loved Walter the Earl, when I read about him once again, for example. Walter is a crackpot antiquarian who finds a cache of magic swords beneath his house, and dresses in plumes and armor when everyone else is dressed in sensible drabs, and he calls on all to remember the battles and glories of the by-gone years. So I should not have been surprised: by growing up, I have sort of turned into him. "

This is not a children's book recommendation, but have you ever read G.K. Chesterton's The Return of Don Quixote? Judging from the synopsis above, it seems to have a very similar plot as The Gammage Cup, with a librarian who is called upon to act in a Medieval play, but afterwards refuses to take off his medieval clothing, starting a revolution in the process... if you haven't, I would highly recommend it. It's a great book (though also Chesterton's most overly Distributist novel).

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Anyone...
[info]jawats
2009-05-28 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Ever read, "The Three Investigators" or "The Great Brain" series? Do they count as fantasy, I wonder? (They would not under Tolkien's definition, I think.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Investigators
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Brain

I enjoyed Tom Swift and Tom Swift, Jr., growing up.

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Re: Anyone...
[info]kokorognosis
2009-05-29 12:25 am UTC (link)
Three Investigators! Ah-ha! That's what those books we're called. I loved them.

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Re: Anyone... - [info]jimhenry, 2009-05-29 07:42 am UTC
Re: Anyone... - [info]johncwright, 2009-05-29 07:54 pm UTC

[info]maradydd
2009-05-28 11:16 pm UTC (link)
L'Engle's Time Quintet, most certainly; the Austins series is also good, though not SF or fantasy.

Lloyd Alexander's Prydain Chronicles are steeped in Welsh mythology, which encouraged me to read the Mabinogion, which encouraged me to read more deeply into Arthurian mythology (oh, there's another good one for kids, T.H. White's Arthurian novels). Along the same lines, I also really enjoyed Susan Cooper's The Dark is Rising sequence, which explores much of the myth and history of Britain as a whole. These books (oh, and D'Aulaires' Greek and Norse myths, which someone else mentioned earlier) were my gateway drug for the English literary tradition from the earliest oral tradition up through, oh, the mid-twentieth century.

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[info]kokorognosis
2009-05-29 12:23 am UTC (link)
From what I remember, The Young Unicorns, while being about the Austins, was more of Murray book. Don't remember the specifics, though.

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(no subject) - [info]ladyhobbit, 2009-06-01 02:39 am UTC
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[info]headnoises
2009-05-28 11:51 pm UTC (link)
I really enjoyed "A Wind in The Door"-- although since I can only call to mind the plot line of the first two stories, maybe just hold to those....

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[info]shana_sfo
2009-05-29 01:23 am UTC (link)
My young readers adore Pippi Longstocking books (both boys and girls) because she's unbelieveably strong, wise in a very peculiar way, and also a Cannibal Princess, which is almost, but not quite, as good as a Space Princess. And she has both a horse and a pet monkey and a bag full of gold pieces. Not science fiction, but lovely fantasy!

We also love the first and second Jungle book, my mother's old Uncle Wiggly books and I've got to get the kids the Neverending Story. I loaned it out years ago and never got it back.

One fantasy/adventure (or is it adventure with some fantasy elements?) series I absolutely love is John Flanagan's Ranger's Apprentice books. Yeah, modern in its eglatarian 'medieval' society, but really exciting stories with strong, moral characters and written in praise of virtues like honesty, loyalty, self-sacrifice. I have Aussie friends that were able to get the first seven books for me and send them over last year. My 4 older kids inhaled them, both the boys and girls.

I've been collecting books that I loved as a child and when I get a flatrate boxfull, I send them all to my 11 year old niece who lives too far away to visit (and I send her 8 year old brother dinosaur fossils. My boxes are HUGE hits at their house, especially the one that had the huge chunk of dinosaur poop in it!) I've already sent her a number of the books listed by other posters and am really grateful because I've got a few new titles on my list that I had forgotten about.

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[info]shana_sfo
2009-05-29 01:27 am UTC (link)
And I know it is spelled "egalitarianism." I forgot to change it after I looked it up.

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[info]marycatelli
2009-05-29 01:43 am UTC (link)
Norman Juster The Phantom Tollbooth

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[info]xander25
2009-05-29 02:08 am UTC (link)
Great stuff!

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[info]xander25
2009-05-29 01:45 am UTC (link)
I have no idea why I didn't enjoy "Voyage of the Dawn Treader" more when I was a child (I suspect part of the reason was that it lacked Peter and Susan). I recently rewatched the BBC version, and having loved it went back to read the book. Any kid would love the simple tale of adventure. Why did I not enjoy Reepicheep more? He has all the traits I so admired in Vincent (BatB) or Navarre ("Ladyhawke"). Also, the journey of Eustace (who, as a child, I used to mock as "useless") from selfishness is a joy to behold.

As to Mr. Card's comment, my love of reading goes back as far as I can remember (I don't remember the first book I ever read). One thing that puzzles me, however, is the amount of naysayers. I spent most of my schoolboy life mocked by the other kids (and sometimes adults) for my love of reading. One incident I remember is sneaking a book out on the playground, and getting in trouble for it (I was reading "The Hobbit", and could barely put it down). Maybe breaking the rules to do so is good or bad I don't know, but one would think that adults would appreciate it when a child loves to read. Grown up now, I get the same attitude when reading something education for my own benefit. It's puzzling to me.

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Ooooh!
[info]carbonelle
2009-05-29 03:57 am UTC (link)
Here's some science fiction for the just-up-from toddlers set (four to five years old) that I read to the Mighty Mite with great enjoyment:

Akiko and the Menace from Alia Rellapor by Mark Crilley is an absolute delight to read. Just scary enough to keep a little one wide-eyed and gripped by adventure, silly enough to make them laugh and interesting enough to keep mom wanting to turn the pages herself. If you like doing all the funny voices (Texan, David-Ogden-Spears-alike, R2D2: you'll know which ones I mean if you read it) it's an utter delight. We read and re-read those stories during my husbands many hospital stays last summer: they were the first "long" stories the bunnybright would sit still for. It's a three volume set - you'll want them all.

Matthew Looney's Voyage to Earth by Jerome Beatty. Very silly: The Mite and I are both charmed by the Bowling Ball story. Unlikely to appeal to an older child.

The Totoro book that Jagi sent us (here) is much adored by the Mite, and breaks up into three chapters for shorter attention spans.

Right now, however, my best beloved (and O the delight of my eyes) is enamored of the Pony-mad Princess series which involves (1) Princess, (2) Best girl friends teaming up to solve (3) Thrilling adventure problems with (4) Horses. Yeah. Practically, perfect in every way. When I came home with the latest one and said "Guess what Mommy brought home from work?" she literally shrieked with joy.

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Re: Ooooh!
[info]rlbell
2009-05-29 06:59 am UTC (link)
There is a blast from the past!

My elementary school library had at least four of the Matthew Looney books, and I read as many of them as I could find.

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[info]dirigibletrance
2009-05-29 04:16 am UTC (link)
I must be the only person in the world who cannot stand the Narnia books.

Don't get me wrong, I *want* to like them, rather desperately. I loved the two movie adaptations with zeal and vigor. But the actual books themselves... it was like pulling teeth just to get through The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe. I just can't stand his writing style in those books.

As for Dumbledore, he may have been "lavender", but unless I'm mistaken he never acted on his impulses (he came across as an entirely chaste and asexual character, honestly) and they had no part at all to play in his actions. I suspect that Rowling just threw that out in her interview for shock value, and to align herself with the Left (and thus be more popular to her audience, which would help her sell more books) rather than because of any real justification in the story or setting.

Speaking of mythic Children's books, have you read or looked at any of the Percy Jackson books? I'm really interested in them, seeing as how they appear to be a Harry-Potter like story, but the fantasy backdrop is Greek Mythology, not Wizardry. Percy Jackson is a kid who is secretly a mythic greek warrior-hero, or something?

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[info]headnoises
2009-05-29 05:01 am UTC (link)
Sometimes style really can overwhelm content-- I can't count the number of shows where I enjoy the story, but can't stand watching the dang thing.

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[info]westmarked
2009-05-29 05:01 am UTC (link)
I'm stunned no one's mentioned Citizen of the Galaxy yet.

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[info]johncwright
2009-05-29 03:44 pm UTC (link)
"I'm stunned no one's mentioned Citizen of the Galaxy yet."

I'm stunned I did not think of it. Of course, that might be for more the 12 to 16 range than my kids, who are 6-10

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[info]noahdoyle
2009-05-29 05:25 am UTC (link)
My oldest (11) adored the Golden Age trilogy.

If you're still reading to them at that age (and I take delight in doing so), then I'd suggest Karen Traviss' Republic Commando novels - there's a few bits to skim over, and I wouldn't hand it to them until they're about 14-15, but they're an excellent take on the Star Wars/Clone Wars setting that asks the tough moral questions that Lucas never did.

My oldest also really liked the Percy Jackson and the Olympians series; not as good as Harry Potter, but still a lot of fun, and it got him back into reading more about Greek mythology. Percy and his schoolmates are children of the Greek gods, still extant in the modern world. Olympus is on top of the Empire State Building, and it goes on from there.

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[info]princejvstin
2009-05-29 09:36 am UTC (link)
I've heard that the Hollywood powers that be would like to make the Percy series the next HP series, movie wise, but I haven't read the novels...even given my interest in Greco-Roman Mythology. I have no children of appropriate age to buy the books for.

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Lavender Dumbledore?
[info]robertjwizard
2009-05-29 11:03 am UTC (link)
I don't have any book recommendations for children being that I don't have any. But...

Is it being suggested that Albus Dumbledore was gay? Where, oh where, does that come from? My wife and I are such huge Potter fans we scheduled vacations to coincide with the last three books release. Did we get the only non-gay editions or something? I can think of no allusions to this at all in any of the books. Nor anything approaching explicit.

Even if I missed it, and I do not think I did, what possible plot significance would that have? I mean why include it?

Ah, Mr. Card, gotta love the man. Of course everyone knows what the literati think is literature. It is literature that is not literature. I offer into evidence a piece of what is considered by most literati to be the crowning achievement in English prose. It is by that idiot James Joyce from Ulysses.

"He kissed the plump mellow yellow smellow melons of her rump, on each plump melonous hemisphere, in their mellow yellow furrow, with obscure prolonged provocative melonsmellonous osculation.

The visible signs of postsatisfaction?

A silent contemplation: a tentative velation: a gradual abasement: a solicitous aversion: a proximate erection."

I submit anybody, and I mean anybody with no more than a fourth grade education and a thesaurus could churn this stuff out no problem.

One of the cardinal sins Ms. Rowling committed in the Potter series according to the wisdom of the self-anointed literati was to make exemplary use of the four main categories of proper fiction writing: plot, theme, characterization and style (this latter being a matter of intelligibility and proper grammar). And the excellent use of what I call (don't know if there is a name for it so I developed this concept myself) the redemptive curve in the character of Severus Snape that was one of the best in anything I've read.

All of these are snubbed by the literati. That and the good guys winning - that is just bourgeois prejudice. Even to be as insensitive as to draw distinctions as good guys vs. bad guys is a no-no.

Potter also proved that even after a century of trying, people still don't want to read the crap they champion. Even adults well into their 50's and 60's will read a seven volume children fantasy series than the tripe they peddle. It was a slap in their drooling faces.

They, the literati, also love Pynchon and his convoluted nightmare Gravity's Rainbow.

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Re: Lavender Dumbledore?
[info]bear545
2009-05-29 01:42 pm UTC (link)
We know he's gay because Rowling said so in an interview. The fact that no one knew after reading the books is a sign of how little a role it played. As I said above, after the disaster with Grindlewald, Dumbledore may have had the inclination, but there is no evidence he acted upon it.

I agree with you about the literati. By raising Joyce you brought up one of my old nightmares. I left the writing program at my university after I was stuck with a prof who 1. never published anything, and 2. worshiped Joyce. If you didn't write like Joyce there was no point in writing. As an aside, you can tell a lot about a would be writer by the authors he chooses as his influences. When you meet one whose picked Joyce, you haven't met a writer, but a re-writer, one who possibly has back in their study some Magnum Magnum they've worked on for years, endlessly re-striking, revising, re-editing, as Joyce did. That was my Prof.

Another thing about Joyce is that it is trumpeted by professors who on the one hand insist that there is no such thing as great works, only writing about which we have opinions, and on the other hand insist that Joyce is great. It was as close as that university ever got to applying the Bible to its workings: The right hand did not know what the left was doing.

I forgot to mention that when I was young I chased down as much of Robert E. Howard's writing I could, especially Conan. Being a bare chested Barbarian with a giant sword seemed to be the coolest thing possible, but alas, 'twas not meant to be. The interest ends with me in my family. My girls aren't very much interested in that sort of writing.

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Re: Lavender Dumbledore? - [info]dirigibletrance, 2009-05-29 04:57 pm UTC

[info]marycatelli
2009-05-29 03:02 pm UTC (link)
Part of the problem with recommending books for children is that your own childhood likes and dislikes are often very different from your adult reactions.

And tempting though it is to try to improve their taste, sometimes they really can't cope and need the apparent junk. (One writer tried At the Back of the North Wind, didn't like it, went off to read Nancy Drew and Black Stallion by the ream -- and when she came back, she had mastered the art of reading a book and had her life changed by reading At the Back of the North Wind.)

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Childhood preferences differ from adult preferences?
[info]rlbell
2009-05-29 05:43 pm UTC (link)
The simple way to weed out children's books that you thought were good from children's books that are good is to re-read them as an adult. Baum's Oz books can be heartily recommended, because they are as much fun to read when you are forty as they were when you were ten.

For me, I am in the sad position that I never read many of the recommended children's book as a child. Fortunately, it is never too late to have a happy childhood, so I will set myself to read the Chronicles of Narnia sometime after making my LEGO blocks clatter.

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Re: Childhood preferences differ from adult preferences? - [info]marycatelli, 2009-05-29 07:48 pm UTC
Re: Childhood preferences differ from adult preferences? - [info]rlbell, 2009-05-30 02:11 am UTC
The Lorax
[info]rlbell
2009-05-29 05:57 pm UTC (link)
I have a soft spot for The Lorax, as it is one of the earliest books that I read and about the first book I ever owned.

One of the things that I liked about it is that it seems to be primarily about land stewardship. The Onceler is portrayed as being unwise, not evil. As the animals are forced to leave, not forced to extinction, the Onceler is almost as much a victim as anyone else.

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[info]capnflynn
2009-05-31 02:17 pm UTC (link)
Dominic by William Steig was my favourite book when I was in fourth grade; I still read it every couple of years or so, and it stands the test of time. His use of language is delightful, and his hero is a true gentleman.

I am writing down some of the books you've mentioned, which I have never heard of!

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[info]foxfire74
2009-05-31 07:17 pm UTC (link)
Coming late (and lurker-y) to the party here, but I can't wait for my daughter to be old enough to read Diane Duane's "Young Wizards" books. Particularly the first three, which were written long before Harry Potter. The basic structure is of wizards fighting back entropy and various personifications of Satan with the power of language alone; the young wizards have raw power while the older ones have finesse (but not an author determined to write from their POV). The characters are great (sentient stars/sharks/cars as well as the more run-of-the-mill fantasy types) and the second book is the one I point all my Wiccan friends toward for "what the Crucifixion means to me".

It's hard for me to pin down why I love these books, but there's a sense of joy in them that I don't see very often (mostly in C.S. Lewis and very occasionally in Stephen King, of all people). And while she's not explicitly Christian, I love her take on divine grace - not so much "be good and spiritual and God will save you" as "give it all you have, take the risk and God will do what you can't."

Meanwhile, at three, my daughter has just discovered "Bartholemew and the Oobleck", which I think is an excellent start. I'm having such a wonderful time going back to the stuff I read at her age.

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Space Brat
[info]ladyhobbit
2009-06-01 02:45 am UTC (link)
Some books that my younger son liked back in elementary school were the Space Brat books by Bruce Coville. They are pulp fiction for kids and pretty funny as well.

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FREE BOOK
[info]free_book
2009-06-19 03:46 am UTC (link)



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