John C. Wright ([info]johncwright) wrote,
@ 2009-11-10 09:12:00
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A single note of defiance
This is just a short note to the world at large: be it known that I have purchased, despite the extreme poverty that my recent voyage across the world imposed on my budget, THE MAMMOTH BOOK OF MIND-BLOWING SF (Mike Ashley, editor).

Since I am a Null-A trained Houyhnhnm from planet Vulcan, I am (of course!) a being of pure logic unmoved by any passions or emotions, but from time to time one simply must make a gesture, no matter how small, to oppose the Dark Lord, even if that gesture is only symbolic.

In this case, the book is one that holds for me only mild interest, despite the fact that some of the contributors include giants in the SF field, Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter, Gregory Benford, Robert Silverberg and Michael Swanwick.

No, my interest in the book was piqued only because of a pseudocontroversy that was ginned up over the race and sex of the authors in the table of contents. Because the editor did not include a token female, he was excoriated by the unwitting servants of the Dark Lord.

Not only was the editor threatened with boycotts and reduced to the status of an unperson, any authors or editors who spoke in his defense, no matter how mildly, were also boycotted. Much of the ire seemed to be over the cover blurb and title, which (as best I can tell) is boilerplate boosterism, no more meaningful than Stan Lee of Marvel Comics assuring potential buyers in blazing all-capital letters that this issue is the best battle issue ever!

What was the cause of so much vexation, we might wonder?

It is to be remembered that, in our parent's generation, the Dark Lord vexed the Earth with bogus theories of scientific racism, eugenics, and breeding which allegedly came from Darwin's theory of the origin of species. The argument ran that the race to come after us, the superman, would be bred out of superior bloodlines such as the Teutonic, and this master-race would dominate and destroy the lesser breeds, such as the Slavic. With bitter bloodshed the advocates of this scientific racism were overthrown, and their works set to naught.

Vowing this evil should never take root among us again, laws to assure the civil rights of minorities were enacted, and new customs and manners adopted to show respect and honor to those who had for so long been oppressed. Thereupon in our generation the Dark Lord sent into the world the opposite evil to the first one, so that those opposing that first obvious evil would fall into the second.

The new argument runs that racism consists not of the desire to dominate and destroy other breeds, but in subtle and psychological (and hence invisible and undetectable) desire to exclude and marginalize others based on their race, in order to maintain the current power structure of the evil world-system: the female sex is considered, for the purposes of this argument, to be another race, and a non-word was coined "sexism" to refer to misogyny, but also to imply that not just misogyny but any acknowledgment or awareness of any differences between the sexes is based on the same psychopathology as race-prejudice.

This means everyone and anyone (but usually Republicans) and including bewildered, innocent bystanders without anything even remotely approaching a hint of race-hatred or misogyny can be accused of racism and sexism.

The only way to avoid the accusation is to practice tokenism, and to get the statistically correct mix of sexes and races in every workplace, circle of friends, social club, and publication. Of course, tokenism is also a form of racism, since it selects according to race, so that anyone seeking to avoid the accusation has to practice tokenism without letting it be known that he is. The stance is therefore innately and inherently false and hypocritical: it consists of paying close attention to race and sex rather than merit while maintaining the pretense that no one is paying attention to race and sex.

(A new and toxic variation of the argument has recently arisen claiming that NOT paying attention to race and sex is actually a manifestation of a subtle and psychological (and hence invisible and undetectable) desire to exclude and marginalize others based on their race, in order to maintain the current power structure of the evil world-system. By this new argument, anyone who is not a racist on the grounds that he ignores race and judges men on the content of their character is actually a racist after all.)

You may have noticed that this new argument is not only ahistorical and nonfactual but illogical, since it defines both a thing and its opposite as being the same thing. This is because the partisans following this new argument have set aside any concern about being factually correct: they merely want to be "politically" correct, which is to say, to repeat the slogans, contradictory or not, issued by the miniature version of the Ministry of Truth which they have grown into their cerebral cortexes. Facts are optional.

At the same time in world history, formal logic ceased to be taught in schools, and academia (with nary a dissenting voice) wholeheartedly embraced theories of irrationalism, that is, the proposition that reality was to be grasped and shaped by the willpower, by the passions and emotions, not to be understood by ratiocination. An entire generation obediently put out the lights in their minds and fed ever more fuel the dark and roaring furnaces of their passions. Hence, the simple paradox of this new argument (where racism can both be and not be racism at the same time) could neither be detected nor discussed. Indeed, all rationality was now dismissed (again) as part of an attempt to oppress the powerless and maintain the evil world-system.

Those of you who do not think Politically Correctness is as dangerous and morbid as every other form of deliberate embrace of unreality, I direct your attention to those preliminary reports which indicate the shooter in the Fort Hood massacre was known to be a sympathizer with the Jihad, but was not reported because all feared to be accused of discrimination.

It is, of course, an insult to a science fiction writer, male or female, to buy his work based on his sex rather than on the merit of the work. Being a professional, I (of course) would be happy to accept such an insult and make the sale, but it would not satisfy what those who hunger and thirst for justice actually seek.

(For those of you confused by the pronoun use in the previous paragraph, I refer you to the dictionary, or to your Strunk and White.)

In this case Mike Ashley failed to get the statistically correct mix of races and sexes and other minorities. While I am not certain, I suspect every author in the table of contents is either a Classical Liberal, a Moderate Liberal, a Left-leaning Liberal or a far-Left Liberal: but unfortunately this fact will not save poor Mr. Ashley from the scorn of Liberals, because it is the skin color, and not the political loyalties, of the contributors that makes a difference.

While I am not certain, I believe at least one of the contributors is Irish; I think at least one is a Jew. But that does not matter, since the word "race" no longer defines a racial or linguistic or ethnic group, it defines a victim-group, and apparently the Irish and the Jews have not suffered enough tribulations, famines, and genocides to be considered authentic victim-groups in the eyes of the Self-Anointed Enlightened. On the other hand, Spaniards are considered a "race", so I am not clear what logic, if any, governs their thought-process.

I am not sure, but I think Mr. Ashley issued the proper Soviet-style self-condemnation and apology, but I believe the Forces of Smug Selfrighteousness are still angry at him, because they are, of course, implacable, and anger is all they have left once logic is dismissed as a tool of cognition.

I realize that the deceived mind-slaves of the Dark Lord seem numberless and unstoppable. Nonetheless, we must recall two things: first, a sincere desire for justice, and a perfectly admirable detestation for race-hatred motivates them, or at one time did. Second, today of all days we must recall, how even the proudest towers of that hideous strength can fall.

While I (in my own small way) can do nothing against this rising tide of barbarians and their illogical & feverish emotionalism, I can make this one small gesture of defiance. The lights are going out all over the world; I will light this one small candle rather than curse the darkness. I bought the book merely because they condemned it. I suggest everyone who reads these words do the same.



POSTSCRIPT: In this allegedly mammoth book of allegedly mind-blowing SF, there is NOT ONE STORY by A.E. van Vogt, Cordwainer Smith or Charles L. Harness, who are mind-blowing in the mindblowingest possible terms, if the word "mindblowerrrific" is to have any meaning!!!

Unfortunately, there is a not an organized pseudo-religion ready, willing and able to gin up false controversy about truly mindblowing authors being excluded and marginalized by "Blowists" (that sinister form of discrimination which opposes mindblowingishness and supports mundanism), so I doubt irate promindblowingism readers like me will threaten authors and editors with boycotts over this matter.

However, just in the spirit of the times, I will vow never again to buy a single science fiction book by economist John Maynard Keynes, who had the effrontery to disagree with me on the issues of bimetallism, fractional reserve banking, and on the possibility of economic calculation in a socialist commonwealth.



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[info]jonathanmoeller
2009-11-10 04:52 pm UTC (link)
(applauds!)

The whole "invisible unconscious bias" argument frustrates me to no end. One might, with as much logic, claim that racism is caused by rays emitted by orbiting CIA mind-control satellites.

-JM

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[info]mrmandias
2009-11-10 08:58 pm UTC (link)
No one can't, because the tinfoil hat crowd also experience unconscious, invisible, etheric racism.

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(no subject) - [info]jonathanmoeller, 2009-11-10 10:00 pm UTC

[info]phydo
2009-11-10 05:53 pm UTC (link)
This note was not short! I protest in the name of (additional rant truncated for brevity).

(Which is to say, bravo. Also, I'd still like to read anything by van Vogt or Cordwainer Smith. I'm not familiar with Charles Harness. I'm not aware of the respective races or genders or whathaveyou for those authors. I am aware that van Vogt and Smith flat-out blow my mind. I've bought books with far worse criteria.)

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Flight into Yesterday
[info]johncwright
2009-11-10 06:43 pm UTC (link)
Charles L. Harness wrote FLIGHT INTO YESTERDAY a novella expanded into the novel THE PARADOX MEN. He also wrote the short stories I first saw in Analog later gathered into a 'fixup' novel called THE VENETIAN COURT, which contained the single creepiest scene I can recall in an SF book.

Mr. Harness, in my opinion, managed to capture some of the delirious grandeur of a Van Vogt book in "Flight into Yesterday" but (with all due respect to Van Vogt, whom I adore) Harness is a better wordsmith, better at putting the clues together into a coherent whole.

Cordwainer Smith is sui generis. He can neither be described nor delimited: please start with his short story SCANNERS LIVE IN VAIN, and move on to DEAD LADY OF CLOWN TOWN or THR GAME OF RAT AND DRAGON or THE BURNING OF THE BRAIN or MOTHER HITTON'S LITTUL KITTONS and most especially ALPHA RALPHA BOULEVARD.

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Re: Flight into Yesterday - [info]princejvstin, 2009-11-10 08:22 pm UTC
Re: Flight into Yesterday - [info]mmcshrry, 2009-11-11 02:20 am UTC
Cordwainer Smith
[info]thegameiam
2009-11-11 03:09 am UTC (link)
Happily, NESFA published a compendium of everything Cordwainer Smith wrote under that pseudonym, and titled it The Rediscovery of Man, which is not quite grandiose enough to encompass the vastness of the world Smith created...

It's very, very good; but it's very very different from anything I've ever read anywhere else. Wright's recommendations below are excellent starts.

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Re: Cordwainer Smith - [info]marycatelli, 2009-11-11 03:30 am UTC
Corwainer Smith...
[info]botticelli_s
2009-11-10 06:34 pm UTC (link)
...was a Caucasian who grew up in China and was the godson of Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, therefore probably a racist. And the strangest sf writer of all time.

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[info]capnflynn
2009-11-10 06:40 pm UTC (link)
So not being racist is racist now? I'd started to suspect as much, but I take no satisfaction in having my suspicions confirmed.

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hmmm...
[info]xander25
2009-11-10 07:00 pm UTC (link)
War is Peace?

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Neo-Gnosticism
[info]johncwright
2009-11-10 07:08 pm UTC (link)
The argument, as best I understand it, is that only white males enjoying the "White Privilege" that our oppressive-yet-evil world-system imposes upon the downtrodden, can afford to be color-blind, or can fool themselves into being unaware of the racism inherent in the system. A black man is too self-conscious of his own blackness because of the thousands of blatant or half-hidden sign of racial scorn and uneasiness to entertain the notion of merely ignoring the race issue. Hence, someone who says he judges men by their character and ignores race can be accused of being a racist on the grounds that he enjoys "White Privilege" and is simply ignoring the real iniquities of the world-system.

The first example I myself ever encountered of this toxic mutation of the "nonracism-is-racism" argument came when a lower middle class Jewish woman of my acquaintance, who adopted a Chinese child into her family, was excoriated for daring to say that she tended not to notice skin-color any more than she noticed hair-color. Instead of being greeted as a perfect proof of the success at Liberal attempts to abolish race-hatred, she was lashed with utmost venom and studied cruelty by a group of upper middle-class white women.

Those of you familiar with the ancient heresy called Gnosticism will recognize the features of the Gnostics on display in this modern and secular manifestation of an ancient parasitical religion: the hatred of the "world-system", the delight in seeing the secrets truths behind the illusion of the world, the malice toward the established powers, and the inversion of normal logic and morals: perversion is wholesome and wholesomeness is perverse, racists are nonracists and nonracists are racists, the reliance on meaningless verbal formulas, the emphasis on an inner spiritual insight rather than logic, the withering hatred of whatever is sane and normal, et cetera.

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Re: Neo-Gnosticism - [info]montecristo, 2009-11-10 07:14 pm UTC
Re: Neo-Gnosticism - [info]juliet_winters, 2009-11-10 07:15 pm UTC
Re: Neo-Gnosticism - [info]vitruvian23, 2009-11-10 10:16 pm UTC
Just one example - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-11 12:02 am UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]jordan179, 2009-11-11 01:41 am UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-11 02:12 am UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]robert_mitchell, 2009-11-11 04:21 am UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]robert_mitchell, 2009-11-11 04:22 am UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-13 05:39 pm UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]robert_mitchell, 2009-11-14 06:39 pm UTC
Re: Just one example ... of "It's all about me" - [info]ilion7, 2009-11-11 11:51 pm UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]botticelli_s, 2009-11-11 02:21 am UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]bibliophile112, 2009-11-11 05:10 am UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-11 06:30 am UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]arhyalon, 2009-11-11 03:05 pm UTC
Re: Just one example - [info]bibliophile112, 2009-11-11 07:15 pm UTC
Re: Neo-Gnosticism - [info]botticelli_s, 2009-11-10 09:43 pm UTC
The smelly little orthodoxies of the Left
[info]montecristo
2009-11-10 07:14 pm UTC (link)
Consider the doublethink concept of "priviledge" and its sub-families, "white priviledge," "male priviledge," and "straight priviledge," where paradoxically, treating everyone according to the content of their character and not taking into consideration their race is evidence of "insensitivity to racism."

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That Hideous Strength and Conservatism
[info]montecristo
2009-11-10 07:07 pm UTC (link)
It is a fault of the Conservative philosophy to give too much credit to evil. Evil is banal and it doesn't work. Collectivism, as evils go, is one of the more blatant examples of ineffectual banality. The Soviet Union survived only to the extent that Communism was "allowed to fail" while worship of the State, at least in form, was preserved. Mises predicted the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union in 1922, just four short years after the Red Revolution. I believe that it would have collapsed much earlier than 1991 but for the bumbling interference of its professed opponents. I read a piece today by Eric Margolis, whose writing I usually appreciate, fawning over Mikhail Gorbachev's magnanimity and humanity in "permitting" the Soviet Union to fail, rather than using force to sustain it. While I will concede that the fall of the Soviet Empire could have been more bloody had Gorbachev chosen the more evil course, to imply, even indirectly, that it could have been prolonged indefinitely with a sufficent exercise of will is a denial of economic and political reality.

As for John Maynard Keynes, please Sir, he wrote fantasy; not science fiction. The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money should strain anyone's suspension of disbelief.

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Re: That Hideous Strength and Conservatism
[info]johncwright
2009-11-10 07:17 pm UTC (link)
"It is a fault of the Conservative philosophy to give too much credit to evil..."

You and I might agree that had the West not strained its budget propping up the Soviet Union, and fed the wolves seeking to eat us, we would have seen the whole mess collapse in Stalin's day, or earlier. The extend of the financial, not just moral and spiritual, help and support the enemies of mankind received was simply staggering.

Christian metaphysics teach that evil is a privation or a perversion of the good, not a thing that can exist in its own right, and it is innately self-destructive.

"As for John Maynard Keynes, please Sir, he wrote fantasy; not science fiction. The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money should strain anyone's suspension of disbelief."

Amen. I had to wash my mouth out with George Reisman for a week after trying to chew on Keynes.

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Re: That Hideous Strength and Conservatism - [info]dirigibletrance, 2009-11-10 07:45 pm UTC
Re: That Hideous Strength and Conservatism - [info]princejvstin, 2009-11-10 08:16 pm UTC
What if the Soviets had not been Bribed? - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-10 08:34 pm UTC
Re: What if the Soviets had not been Bribed? - [info]bibliophile112, 2009-11-11 05:18 am UTC
Re: What if the Soviets had not been Bribed? - [info]robert_mitchell, 2009-11-11 05:53 am UTC
Re: What if the Soviets had not been Bribed? - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-12 08:16 am UTC
Re: What if the Soviets had not been Bribed? - [info]luckymarty, 2009-11-11 05:08 pm UTC
Re: What if the Soviets had not been Bribed? - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-12 08:18 am UTC
Re: What if the Soviets had not been Bribed? - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-11-14 07:59 am UTC
Re: That Hideous Strength and Conservatism - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-11-14 07:48 am UTC
Re: That Hideous Strength and Conservatism
[info]marycatelli
2009-11-10 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Evil's problem is not that it does not work, it is that it tramples us all in the route to not working.

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Re: That Hideous Strength and Conservatism - [info]montecristo, 2009-11-10 11:43 pm UTC
Re: That Hideous Strength and Conservatism - [info]marycatelli, 2009-11-11 03:32 am UTC
Re: That Hideous Strength and Conservatism - [info]lotdw, 2009-11-11 03:43 am UTC
Re: That Hideous Strength and Conservatism - [info]dirigibletrance, 2009-11-11 05:57 am UTC
Logic 101 - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-11 06:39 am UTC
Leftist Logic vs Rightist Logic - [info]ilion7, 2009-11-12 12:13 am UTC
Re: Leftist Logic vs Rightist Logic - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-11-14 08:06 am UTC
Re: That Hideous Strength and Conservatism
[info]ilion7
2009-11-11 11:58 pm UTC (link)
"It is a fault of the Conservative philosophy to give too much credit to evil. Evil is banal and it doesn't work.

That evil doesn't work in the long-term (it cannot, for being based upon falsehood, it is self-annihilating) doesn’t change the fact that in the short-term it does a lot of real damage, even unto death, to real people.

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Today's 'racism' is kind of a fascinating phenomenon
[info]geeklady
2009-11-11 12:24 am UTC (link)
I suppose the correct tolkeinism ratio is difficult to achieve, as we're short of dwarves, elves, AND hobbits. Wait...

In seriousness, I have a interesting pair of examples in my mother-in-law and brother-in-law (both Hispanic). Neither of them are sophisticated enough for this particular sort of white is black, up is down racism, but it's still interesting.

My brother-in-law is the roughest, bluntest, swearingest man I've ever known. He throws around racial epithets right and left at the smallest provocation. But I cannot in anyway consider him racist. He may be deliberately insulting, but he is so with complete equality. No one is spared, even other Hispanics. HIs metric is purely whether the specific person has annoyed him or not. It's not a just metric, but it is applied fairly.

My mother-in-law, on the other hand, would never treat anyone with anything other than politeness and courtesy, to the best of her abilities... but she is the most subtly racist person I've ever met. So much so, that I can be extremely uncomfortable with her. The white people all look down on her, etc, and my impression is that she in turn looks down on black people. What divine irony decided that both her sons should marry white women is beyond me. (There was at least one conversation that I know of with my husband about how she was worried he was marrying me to move up in the world.)

It has to be fascinating, because really that's the only thing keeping it from being painful.

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[info]kokorognosis
2009-11-11 12:45 am UTC (link)
Whatever else the book may or may not have going for it, it has cover art of a crab riding a stingray into the sunset-- apparently a supergiant sunset, no less. Surely this is reason enough?

When the whole racism flap broke out over on Jagi's lj, my roommate did some reading on the subject. He found that the academic definition of racism has been borrowed from radical feminism-- position + power = racism/sexism.

As a white in the US, or a male in the US, you are a racist. There's nothing much you can do except loathe your own existence and keep your mouth shut.

...It's an institutionalized ad hominem against which there is no defense.

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[info]dirigibletrance
2009-11-11 01:13 am UTC (link)
The "meh" defense has always worked for me.

Also, suddenly dropping the arguement produces humorous, confused reactions.

Liberal: "You're racist! White Privelidge!"
Me: "I'm not White."
Liberal: "You're not, but...?"

Liberal: "Racist!"
Me: "No, I'm not."
Liberal: "Yes you are! Even if you don't realize it!"
Me: "Whatever, douchbag." *walks away*
Liberal: "Wait... where are you going?..."

If you think of them as forum trolls, they become less bothersome. Just don't rise to the bait of pointless argueing.

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(no subject) - [info]kokorognosis, 2009-11-11 01:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-11 02:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]marycatelli, 2009-11-11 03:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]robert_mitchell, 2009-11-11 04:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bibliophile112, 2009-11-11 05:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]marycatelli, 2009-11-11 05:40 am UTC
"Sacrificing the living to the hypothetical" - [info]xander25, 2009-11-13 03:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]robert_mitchell, 2009-11-11 05:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]luckymarty, 2009-11-11 05:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-12 08:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-11-14 09:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dirigibletrance, 2009-11-11 05:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-11 06:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]marycatelli, 2009-11-11 04:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dirigibletrance, 2009-11-11 06:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]marycatelli, 2009-11-12 03:28 am UTC

[info]marycatelli
2009-11-11 03:38 am UTC (link)
You forgot to add race/sex = position + power (or lack thereof).

A tenured ivory-tower academic earning six figures does not have position and power without the appropriate race (or sometimes sex).

A blue-collar work does have position and power with the appropriate race (and sometimes sex).

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[info]whichferdinand
2009-11-11 09:24 am UTC (link)
but in subtle and psychological (and hence invisible and undetectable)

Any kind of attitude is invisible, but lots of attitudes are detectable, one just has to be a little clever. You can try testing for some attitudes at Harvard's implicit association project's website

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[info]marycatelli
2009-11-11 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Good Heavens! If you did that, when it came up with negative results you would have to accept it!

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(no subject) - [info]whichferdinand, 2009-11-11 05:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-11-14 09:18 am UTC
I don't know - [info]botticelli_s, 2009-11-11 06:05 pm UTC
Re: I don't know - [info]whichferdinand, 2009-11-11 06:20 pm UTC
Re: I don't know - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-11-14 09:41 am UTC
Interesting - [info]almitydave, 2009-11-12 10:46 pm UTC
Re: Interesting - [info]whichferdinand, 2009-11-14 05:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-11-14 09:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]whichferdinand, 2009-11-14 08:11 pm UTC
Tokenism
[info]robertjwizard
2009-11-11 12:18 pm UTC (link)
I didn't even know tokenism was a word. The show South Park has one black kid on it, his name is Token. Now the joke is even funnier.

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Re: Tokenism
[info]arhyalon
2009-11-11 03:09 pm UTC (link)
Oh, that is hilarious!

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Re: Tokenism - [info]robertjwizard, 2009-11-12 01:03 pm UTC
Re: Tokenism - [info]arhyalon, 2009-11-12 01:45 pm UTC

[info]marycatelli
2009-11-11 05:09 pm UTC (link)
The real irony of tokenism is that the tokens tend to be the actually privileged members of the group. Not just in the US. There's been affirmative action in other countries with the same results -- the untouchables in India, the Malays in Malaysia (against the Chinese minority).

Which leads to the result that it is actually in the benefit of those favored members to keep the rest of their group down.

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[info]obiwanky
2009-11-11 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Surely, Mr. Wright, you would agree that ideas evolve, that human experience requires response to changing situations, and that societies can mature. Look at the way the idea of citizenship has evolved from its earliest beginnings in the Greek polis, to its use in Renaissance Europe and the modern world, and finally to its changing use from Jefferson, to Anthony, to contemporary thinkers. Are all of these bad changes?

My point being that what counts as "racism" or "misogyny/sexism" can evolve too as we learn how our actions have intended and unintended consequences.

Certainly we can all rant about political correctness. Sometimes this has gone too far. And counting minority memberships in schools can be taken too far as well. But this was only and always just a first step.

Repeated studies show that racism still exist in the world and that this racism takes subtle forms. When I explain this in an ethics class, I often have my students watch the movie "A Time TO Kill." At one point, the lawyer says to Samuel L. Jackson's character, "we make a good team." Jackson replies, "We ain't no team. When have you ever brought your children mover to play with my children."

Certainly, I agree that if we are to judge people, we should judge them by their character. But racism and sexism work in more subtle ways.

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Voodoo?
[info]robertjwizard
2009-11-12 12:16 am UTC (link)
"But racism and sexism work in more subtle ways."

By voodoo? Subliminal messaging? Phantasmagoric transmissions from X? THE GENES OF THE WHITE MAN?
Or is it to be interpreted after the fact by someone qualified to interpret the subtle, like a paranormal investigator? Kind of like anti-trust laws where the businessman cannot know whether a given action will be against the law until after he takes it. And for the same reason to in exactly the same way. The businessman can't help the way he is and cannot know the nature of his action until it is pointed out by the "police".

SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM

"And counting minority memberships in schools can be taken too far as well. But this was only and always just a first step."

Well that is just eerily opaque.

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Re: Voodoo? - [info]obiwanky, 2009-11-12 02:35 am UTC
Re: Voodoo? - [info]kmai, 2009-11-12 03:20 am UTC
Re: Voodoo? - [info]marycatelli, 2009-11-12 03:34 am UTC
Straw man - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-12 08:09 am UTC
Re: Straw man - [info]obiwanky, 2009-11-12 06:45 pm UTC
Re: Straw man - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-13 04:12 am UTC
Re: Voodoo? - [info]robertjwizard, 2009-11-12 12:57 pm UTC
Re: Voodoo? - [info]sphericaltime, 2009-11-15 07:40 am UTC
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"Why has the Combine seen fit to suppress our hiring practices?" - [info]almitydave, 2009-11-12 11:26 pm UTC
Re: "Why has the Combine seen fit to suppress our hiring practices?" - [info]almitydave, 2009-11-12 11:43 pm UTC
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oops - [info]robertjwizard, 2009-11-13 01:24 pm UTC
Re: oops - [info]robertjwizard, 2009-11-13 01:26 pm UTC
Physician, heal thyself. - [info]marycatelli, 2009-11-13 02:51 am UTC
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The Victim - [info]almitydave, 2009-11-13 12:04 am UTC
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Undistributed middle term - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-12 08:00 am UTC
Re: Undistributed middle term - [info]robert_mitchell, 2009-11-12 04:46 pm UTC
Re: Undistributed middle term - [info]obiwanky, 2009-11-12 06:41 pm UTC
Re: Undistributed middle term - [info]marycatelli, 2009-11-13 03:01 am UTC
Re: Undistributed middle term - [info]johncwright, 2009-11-13 04:04 am UTC
Excellent! Just excellent!!
[info]bradrtorgersen
2009-11-13 12:25 am UTC (link)
I was a (very minor) party in the sillyness that went on over this anthology.

I defended Mr. Ashley, and was very much criticized for it too.

Mr. Wright, thank you for consolidating so much common sense -- regarding the Minions Of Ideological Purity and Righteousness -- into this single post. Mind if I link back to you?

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Re: Excellent! Just excellent!!
[info]johncwright
2009-11-13 04:16 am UTC (link)
I would be honored, sir

(if you are a sir. On the Internet one never knows, do one. If on the other hand, you are a clever dog with a keyboard, then Good Doggie! Good Boy!)

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Being a Victim means you get to be Speshul!
[info]bradrtorgersen
2009-11-13 05:57 pm UTC (link)
What I find paradoxical about The New Sensibility (aka: Gender and Race Consciousness in 21st Century Liberal America) is that it simultaneously bemoans victimization at the same time it rushes to exhalt and embrace victimhood. Ergo, you're not just a victim, you're a Victim! Here's your t-shirt and your membership card, with benefits.

This has created what I like to think of as Speshul Syndrome. Once you go down the Victim rabbit hole, pretty soon your identify begins to revolve around that status as Victim, hence you believe your uniqueness and your specialness -- as a human being -- is tied directly to your also being a member of a Victim Group. Ergo, you're Speshul, and your Speshulness entitles you to all sorts of things.

Like, never having to be wrong in any argument with a member of the Hated Oppressor Group. Which is almost always, but not exclusively, caucasian and/or male. Logic and facts go out the window. The Speshul person with their Speshul status is able to trump any and all arguments or counter-arguments by the Hated Oppressor, simply by the fact that the Speshul Person is a Victim, and Victims can never be contradicted or question under the rules of The New Sensibility.

In the case of Mr. Ashley, he was default Hated Oppressor because he was white and male, and everyone who attacked him -- and his defenders -- were of the Speshul variety. Ergo, they were members of one or more Victim Groups, which gave them and their arguments -- if we can even use that word -- superior status, simply because The New Sensibility demands that Speshul Folk get Speshul Powers in any discussion with Hated Oppressors.

Boiled down to its simplist form, The New Sensibility merely exchanges one set of shabby, racist/sexist clothes for another, equally bogus -- but hip and attractive at the same time -- set of racist/sexist clothes. People are made to be Unpeople, and Automatically Wrong, merely because of gender or race. Doesn't matter what the context is or who is involved. Speshul Folk through their Speshul Powers are automatically correct in all cases where Hated Oppressor Folk come into play.

Hence if you're a white person discussing race with a non-white person, the non-white person's perspective is automatically correct and superior in all cases.

If you're a male discussing sexism with a female, the female's perspective is automatically correct and superior in all cases.

Moreover, any Hated Oppressor foolish enough to defend him or herself against accusations, will have that defense turned on them as *PROOF* of their raw evil and wrongdoing. Only those Hated Oppressors who genuflect and grovel and become proselytizers of The New Sensibility will be spared the Speshul Wrath -- but only so long as one of these "allies" does not make the mistake of ever contradicting a Speshul Person along the way.

You see this manifested in the hysterical actions of shrill whites and occasionally men, who seem to think the path to purity lays in running around excoriating other whites/males about their racism/sexism. On the internet especially, the people often crying the loudest about racism/sexism are whites and/or males who are hurling themselves at the feet of the Speshul in attempt to be spared, or seen as 'good' Hated Oppressors.

Unlike the rest of us, who happen to think The New Sensibility is a steaming load of intellectual and emotional vomit. Poor us.

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Re: Being a Victim means you get to be Speshul!
[info]bradrtorgersen
2009-11-13 07:55 pm UTC (link)
I forgot to mention the other great paradox of The New Sensibility: watching Speshul members of Victim Groups attack and/or one-up each other, in the Victimhood department.

Gays vs. Straight Women.
Women vs. African Americans.
African Americans vs. Latinos.
Mexican Latinos vs. Other Latinos.

Etc, etc, etc, there are countless permutations.

These fights can be some of the most heated of all, because Speshul Folk believe in their hearts that their particular kind of Speshul is the Mostest Speshul Of All and they are threatened and/or offended by anyone who seems More Speshul Than Thou.

This seems to be happening a lot during the aftershocks of the so-called RaceFail debate, wherein Speshuls attack Speshuls for failing to recognize how Speshul another Speshul Person is, and therefore it's racism/sexism/whateverism because nothing pisses off the Speshul more than someone failing to properly dignify and annoint the Speshul for their Extra-Speshul little brand of Super Speshulness.

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Re: Being a Victim means you get to be Speshul! - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-11-14 10:57 am UTC
Re: Being a Victim means you get to be Speshul! - [info]marycatelli, 2009-11-14 07:49 pm UTC
Re: Speshul vs. Speshul - [info]carbonelle, 2009-11-23 09:27 am UTC
Re: Speshul vs. Speshul - [info]carbonelle, 2009-11-23 09:28 am UTC
Re: Speshul vs. Speshul - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-11-30 10:58 pm UTC
Re: Being a Victim means you get to be Speshul! - [info]sun_stealer, 2009-11-30 11:12 pm UTC

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