John C. Wright ([info]johncwright) wrote,
@ 2006-09-16 20:20:00
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Seperation of Church and Spaceship III
I have been wondering if either fantasy or "mainstream fantasy" shows the same disinterest in religion that SF usually does. My conclusion is that it does not. A muggle will read a book or watch a movie in it that has a fantastic or unearthly element in the tale without wincing provided the fantasy element is treated in an unsurprising, and frankly unfantastic fashion.

Let me define my terms. By a "mainstream fantasy" I mean a story that contains some magical or unearthly element, but which does not require a magical or unearthly frame of reference for the story. A poor definition, I confess: so let me use examples instead. HARVEY is a mainstream fantasy: the Pooka Harvey is a magical element in the tale, and may well exist, but the main point of the tale is the benevolence of the man who can see the giant rabbit, played by Jimmy Stewart. The magical town of Brigadoon in BRIGADOON, where the people sleep one hundred years each night, is likewise as mainstream fantasy; the Storefront Santa in MIRACLE ON 34th STREET is another example. Say what you will, none of these stories would appear on the Fantasy shelf at the bookstore next to LEGENDS or CONAN or LORD OF THE RINGS. Those three tales require, in order for the audience to enjoy them, that the audience depart from the normal "frame of reference" of mundane earth and accept a mythical frame.

Now, a mainstream story with a fantastic gimmick in it stays in the mainstream as long as the gimmick is one already in the mind of the common man, and will no cause any particular unfamiliarity. This is true for any fantasy gimmick like an invisible rabbit, a town of sleeping Rip Van Winkles, or a Santa Clause. POLAR EXPRESS is a fantasy, but not in the same way that NARNIA is: everyone already knows who Santa is; people have to be introduced to the White Witch.

Mainstream stories simply are more willing and able to take Christian elements literally than Science Fiction books. Here is a list simply from the top of my head, of books that treat Christian supernaturalism literally: God or His Angels are characters in the tale, and they act must as mainstream theology says they should:
IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE
ANGEL ON MY SHOULDER
MEET MR. JORDAN (aka HEAVEN CAN WAIT)
ANGELS IN THE OUTFIELD
MICHAEL
BEDAZZLED
BEN HUR
Le MORTE D'ARTHUR

The thing that is funny about two or three of these tales is how much in the background the supernatural elements are. Clarence the angel in IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE is just like the Ghost of Christmas Present in A CHRISTMAS CAROL, a "frame" meant to escort the main character to see what he would otherwise not see. I did not list A CHRISTMAS CAROL as a Christian fantasy, simply because, as far as I can tell, there are no Christian elements present. Nothing of the nativity is mentioned anywhere in the tale, and the three Ghosts seem to represent kindness and humanity, of the kind found in any religion, or in the hearts of men of good will who are not religious at all.

Perhaps these last two belong in a category of their own.

BEN HUR ends with two lepers being healed during the rainstorm that darkens the world at the crucifixion, but the event is treated as an historical event, merely an awe-inspiring one. I am not sure if we can call this a 'gimmick' in the sense that Harvey the Rabbit or Brigadoon the Sleeping Town is a gimmick.

The Most Holy Grail in Arthur is a sacrosanct Christian relic, but it is treated as a pagan magic artifact, that is, as if the magic power is in the cup itself, not in the God who drank from the cup. Arthur is a Christian king, but his Christianity is so inessential to the story, that versions can and have been done where this element is left aside entirely, without changing the basic story (whether these are good versions or bad, let each reader decide. Religion plays no role in the Steinbeck or Tennyson or White versions of the story, and certainly not in FIRST KNIGHT, which was terrible on many levels.)

There are any number of Horror tales where half of Christian myth is present, only the dark half. Satan and His Devils are characters in the tale, but God is either remote, or insane, or has been replaced by an unhelpful bureaucracy:
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
ANGEL
HELLRAISER
SANDMAN

There are also stories like THE EXCORCIST or any number of vampire stories where Catholic sacraments are effective against the supernatural baddies, but not really effective enough to be final. These tend to cluster around the horror end of the spectrum. I also note that in HIGHLANDER the immortals do not fight on Holy Ground, albeit the holy ground of any religion serves as a sanctuary against their endless duels. They may or may not be a supernatural sanction to enforce this taboo: Mount Vesuvius may have erupted because two immortals fought on Holy Ground. I would put all such stories into their own category, the same one INDIANA JONES belongs in: the Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant are clearly actual and effective in this background, but only as spooky supernatural gimmicks.

Now, I can think of at least two SFF books where God or His Angels are characters in the tale, and they are either senile or outright frauds:
HIS DARK MATERIALS by Phillip Pullman
TO REIGN IN HELL by S Brust
DOGMA
Oddly, I cannot think of a single science fiction story that treats the Christian mythology in the same respectful way, even when lighthearted, as HERE COMES MR. JORDON. Maybe God makes a cameo appearance in Heinlein's JOB or in James Branch Cabell. There may be a few fantasy or Urban fantasy stories that have angels in them—I haven't read that much by Charles de Lint or Megan Lindholm. Usually these days even the good supernatural beings are fairly new-age, neutral, or culturally relative. There is, for instance, a Power of Light in A WRINKLE IN TIME, that seems like a nondenominational sort of goodness.

So Christianity seem more well represented in the mainstream than it does in SF.



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[info]lordbrand
2006-09-17 01:29 am UTC (link)
Does anyone recall how it was treated in the Dark is Rising series?

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[info]luckymarty
2006-09-19 05:33 pm UTC (link)
Irrelevant. In the second book, Will explicitly transcends his "Anglican choirboy" background to realize that all religions are just distorted reflections of the real truth.

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[info]lordbrand
2006-09-19 06:52 pm UTC (link)
ah, so Gnostic.

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[info]lordbrand
2006-09-17 01:31 am UTC (link)
Inferno by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle also comes to mind. Great book.

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[info]tapinger
2006-09-17 02:50 am UTC (link)
There are a few "Christian" science fiction books, in the sense that they are at least targeted towards such an audience. I don't know what your criteria for acceptable quality is. Two that I enjoyed were Arena (although it could probably be interpreted as fantasy instead) and Kathy Tyers's Firebird trilogy (Firebird, Fusion Fire, Crown of Fire--this one is indisputably sci fi.) I mention them as counter-examples which are definitely friendly to Christianity or at least Christian themes.

Interestingly, I believe Firebird was rewritten and republished with more Christian themes in it some 10 or 15 years after it originally came out. I have not read the original version. A little bit about the story: The Lady Firebird of the title is a third or fourth child of a noble family on a planet which worships Pride, Indomitability and similar qualities as Powers, and culls extraneous children. As such, she is expected to die gracefully and with little fuss. The book would be rather short if she succeeded, although she tries very, very hard.

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[info]tapinger
2006-09-17 03:10 am UTC (link)
Dennis Danvers's Circuit of Heaven is probably a better counter-example, since it isn't specifically a "Christian" book. However, the character who discovered how humans could upload their minds and effectively live forever (this sounds familiar) may be a Christian and definitely believes in God. He has continuing concerns that what he's done may be wrong and that he will be judged for it (religious fanatics contend that "the Bin" is a blasphemous parody of Eden). Although his moral concerns are definitely part of the story, they do not take over the whole plot, although they may yet. (I haven't yet read End of Days, the "sort of" sequel.) They certainly are not shared by the majority of the people who have uploaded themselves.

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[info]johncwright
2006-09-18 07:12 pm UTC (link)
I am not sure what you mean by a kiss-off? The Ark of the Covenant was damn impressive in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, but then again so is the Book of the Dead in THE MUMMY RETURNS. I would venture to say that the Christian elements in an Indiana Jones story have about the same respect for religion and concern for nuanced accuracy of theological concerns as does, for example, The Spectre in DC comics. It's there for the chills, nothing more.

Nor am I saying that boy's adventure stories do not usually have a moral core. The good ones do: it is merely that the morals taught by boys adventure stories are Eton schoolboy morals--don't cheat, don't be a coward, don't be a liar, stick up for your friends through thick and thin, and "do the right thing without expecting reward". I mean no disrespect when I would call them a pagan code: the ethics of the noble Achilles. The Code of the West. The Boy Scout Oath. That sort of thing.

There is also a category we might call "weird tales" or "weird adventure" which involves exactly the idea you put your finger on: a higher order that neither heroes nor villains can successfully control.These stories usually have the morality of a ghost story--namely, that there are Things Man Was Not Meant To Know, and that supernatural vengeance can strike from beyond the grave.

Certainly in JOHNNY QUEST, when Red Chinese spies wake up Anubis or create monsters by hubristic tamperings with nature has such a moral theme to it. Usually such stories end with even the heroes staring in awe at the death and devestation, which the Mummy stalks away over the moonlit horizon.

RAIDER OF THE LOST ARK has the Ark of the Covenant in exactly that posture--to tamper with it is to die--but I say again that no one walked out of that film vowing to be a better Christian, more forgiving, and donate more to charity: they walked out thinking it would be cool to be an archeologist and see Nazis melt.

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[info]fpb
2006-09-17 03:09 pm UTC (link)
What about Charles Burns' Oh God! movie or movies? I watched it or them so long ago that I don't even remember whether there was one or more of them, but I do remember liking it/them.

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[info]ndrosen
2006-09-17 05:09 pm UTC (link)
Would you consider Poul Anderson's OPERATION CHAOS as a science fiction/fantasy story that treats the Christian mythology in the a respectful way, even when lighthearted? The heroes attend a Christian service to prepare to harrow Hell, and receive aid from Christian servants of the Most High (one of them a very good man who descends from Heaven, the other a not quite so good man who is released from Purgatory for his service in aiding them).

There's also the sequel, OPERATION LUNA.

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[info]johncwright
2006-09-21 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Hadn't read it (hangs head in shame). Poul Anderson has simply never turned in a bad book. Even his 'worst' books are merely pretty good.

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[info]ndrosen
2006-09-23 04:16 am UTC (link)
If you hang your head in shame, how will I ever hold up mine, considering all the books which you have read and I have not? Do not be ashamed, but please do read OPERATION CHAOS. It may be Anderson's very best; OPERATION LUNA is merely quite good.

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[info]p_hawk
2006-09-17 10:52 pm UTC (link)
Two books off the top of my head you haven't mentioned are THE SPARROW by someone whose name escapes me at the moment and A CANTICLE FOR LEIBOWITZ by Walter Miller, Jr. THE SPARROW is about Jesuits making first contact with aliens, but Catholicism is given short shrift (e.g., the protagonist is thought to be a saint because of some quasi-mystical experiences he is having, not the criteria the church actually uses of heroic virtue). But nowhere in the book is Christian mythology actually literalized. A CANTICLE FOR LEIBOWITZ is much more respectful of Catholicism and also actualizes an aspect of the mythology at the end of the novel, but I won't discuss it further for spoiler purposes.

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Fantasy
[info]elliot_h
2006-09-18 03:47 am UTC (link)
Susan Cooper's "The Dark is Rising" series has Light and Dark, but they're not particularly concerned with regular humans - it's not a Christian or Jewish viewpoint. The Light is so pure that it burns humans to a crisp and could care less.

Madeleine L'Engle's a Christian, and "A Wrinkle in Time" and its related works make that pretty clear if you look at 'em closely.
Speaking of young adult-SF/F writers, I learned recently that Monica Hughes was a devout Catholic.

Re: fantasies with giant rabbits - some agnostic critics claim that "Donnie Darko" is a Catholic movie. I think they're basically right.

Re: fantasies where Christian mythology is present - check out Tim Powers' "Declare" for an enjoyable example. His recent "Three Days To Never" does the same with Judaism.

Anyways, I'll quit blathering on. For those who are interested, I've got a series of blog posts on religious themes in mainstream SF/F - it's surprising how much there is when you start looking around. It's mostly focused on Christians but I touch on other religions too: http://clawoftheconciliator.blogspot.com/2006/03/science-fiction-fantasy-and-faith-part_28.html

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Re: Fantasy
[info]johncwright
2006-09-18 08:55 pm UTC (link)
Any blog who calls itself the CLAW OF THE CONCILIATOR is worth my time to take a look at.

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[info]johncwright
2006-09-18 07:18 pm UTC (link)
Oddly enough, I would put OH GOD in the category of devotional comedies. The character of God is treated as real and authentic, and the main point of the plot revolves around a real theological question: John Denver is asked to act on faith even though the world around him makes him afraid he'll look foolish.

George Burns was certain an easy-going nondenominational sort of god, not the sort who would melt Nazis merely for tampering with the Ark of the Covenant, but I would not say the portrayal was disrespectful.

I did not see the remake of BEDAZZLED. In the original, the devil is outwitted on a techncality, and St. Peter, who was doing gardedwork comes across as about as dignified as anyone can be in a comedy.

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You had to know I'd come up with this:
[info]carbonelle
2006-09-21 08:04 am UTC (link)
Children's science fiction:

Diane Duane's "Wizard Books," the second of which, Deep Wizardry has an explicitly Christian plot; but all of which feature quasi-angelically-guided Wizards fighting against The Enemy.

See also all the Madeline L'Engle stories such as A Wrinkle in Time.

If I were not very pressed and staying up atrociously past my bedtime (or two lazy to run downstairs and pull out the appropriate reference from my library), I should probably be able to come up with more.

Children's literature is often amazingly free of the shiboleths that haunt it's adult counterparts.

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[info]vitruvian23
2007-06-01 06:55 pm UTC (link)
I would dispute that God and his angels are either senile or frauds in Dogma. You may think that Alanis Morrisette is not the proper person to portray an embodied deity, or that by rights the deity should not be portrayed as incarnating in any other form than Jesus of Nazareth, or even that a storyline in which God cannot rescue Herself if that's what's required as opposed to another sacrifice, but that's not quite the same issue.

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