John C. Wright ([info]johncwright) wrote,
@ 2007-04-09 12:02:00
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Genre fiction and mainstream fiction
A question has been raised whether genre fiction exists as a category, and whether mainstream fiction merits more attention and admiration. My answer is complex: genre fiction must satisfy two standards, not one, but is given a "pass" if it merely satisfies the standards of its genre, and falls below the acceptable standard of mainstream storytelling. When done correctly, written with perfect integrity, the best of genre fiction cannot be judged based solely on mainstream standards, because the author is satisfying both standards at once, and the tale cannot be analyzed into the genre elements and the story-telling elements.  

Genre fiction does exist, and these day there is little left of the once-prevalent condescension of literary highbrows toward the popular literature. Genre fiction is any fiction that forms a category of particular readership taste. What consistutes the boundaries of the genre depends on what the reading public buys. Genre fiction is judged as good and bad not on its storytelling quality only, but also on how well or poorly the specific genre standards are met.
 
Each genre is a genre because its has standards and conventions unique to itself. 
 
When a reader is in the mood for a Western, he wants a cowboys-and-injuns story. Even if the good story on other grounds, such as good plot and character, a guy looking to read a Western will not be interested in it if it does not have the particular tropes and props of a Western, or if those props are handled badly.
 
If this is unclear, let me use an example. I sincerely doubt any fans of Westerns went to see Will Smith's WILD WILD WEST, a movie starring a giant steampunk-style spider-machine: or if they saw it, they liked it as a comedy, for its comedic aspects, or as science fiction, for its science fictional aspects, or as an adventure. I cannot imagine anyone going, "Well, I just saw HIGH NOON and THE SEARCHERS, and I want to see something in the same mood and setting and atmosphere, so I think I'll go watch WILD WILD WEST."
 
Mainstream stories concentrate on story telling only, and have only a single yardstick to judge them by: is OLD MAN AND THE SEA a good tale or not? Does THE DUBLINERS move you? Does BILLY BUDD make a comment on the human condition, the nature of justice?  Genre stories have two yardsticks: first, is it a good story qua story, and second, it is good genre qua genre.
 
For example, a horror story that horrifies is a success as horror, even if it is a failure in terms of sheer story-telling, the story as it would be with the horror element stripped out. A romance story that does not have a satisfying boy-girl romance, either a happy romance or a tearjerking tragedy, no matter how good it is as a story, is a failure as a romance.
 
A science fiction story is a success as science fiction if it includes that familiar sense of wonder which comes of contemplating what science might tell us, what the future might bring. SKYLARK OF SPACE is a good science fiction story because it is pure SF wonder, without any pause for characterization, and only the sketchiest plot. Why were the Fenachrone setting out the conquer the universe anyway? No one knows and no one cares. We want to see Richard Seaton blow up the Fenacrhone space-battlewagon with his third-order zone of force, assuming he can escape from the fourth-dimensional evil of the hyperplane.
 
Naturally, authors who can satisfy both sets of criteria, both the basic story-telling standard and the particular standard of a Western, a Romance, a Detective Story, a Horror story, a Fantasy or Science Fiction story, deserves high praise. It is difficult to do both, maybe impossible for anyone other than a genius. But we should not be too fulsome in our praise, because what the literary reader looks for is not what we look for: we need more than he. Science fiction is harder to write than mainstream fiction.
 
Let me use an example to say why. THE SEVEN SAMURAI is a classic of the Samurai story genre. The heart of this story examines the honor of the Samurai class and the unity of the farmer class in Japan. But the story is good without the elements specific to Samurai stories: you could strip out the Samurai elements, and make the story into a western (THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN) or a cheesy space opera (BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS), or, if you wanted to be really, really lame, a bad swords-and-spaceships anime. But none of these ripoffs have the magnificent power of the original story because all that is being copied is the surface story, not the thoughtful and sad heart of the work.
 
In other words, any Science Fiction story that would make a good story with the science fiction elements ripped out, is a bad science fiction story, because then the science fiction elements are shown to be not integral to the work.



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[info]kokorognosis
2007-04-09 06:10 pm UTC (link)
I can always count on you, sir, and the illustrious Mr. Wolfe, to reassure me that it is ok to be pouring my writing time into speculative fiction instead of mainstream lit :)

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[info]superversive
2007-04-09 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Of course nowadays the self-indulgent tripe commonly peddled under the rubric of ‘literary fiction’ is itself a genre, and the mainstream has exhausted itself in the malarial bogs of its delta. But that is another rant, and has been undertaken more ably than I could do. B.R. Myers’ A Reader’s Manifesto makes a very good start.

(P.S. It is not quite in place here, but as well here as anywhere, to note that many months ago you expressed an intention to add me to your friends list; and you have either not done so, or repented quickly and removed me, I don’t know which. Not that it is any business of mine, but it makes me sad. I hope I have not given offence.)

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[info]kokorognosis
2007-04-09 08:17 pm UTC (link)
Aye. The lack of a genre is, in and of itself, genre-ism.

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-09 08:17 pm UTC (link)
Aye. The lack of a genre is, in and of itself, genre-ism.

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[info]johncwright
2007-04-10 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Don't be sad. Just an oversight.

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[info]jamesenge
2007-04-09 07:25 pm UTC (link)
I cannot imagine anyone going, "Well, I just saw HIGH NOON and THE SEARCHERS, and I want to see something in the same mood and setting and atmosphere, so I think I'll go watch WILD WILD WEST."

Well said. Part (but only part) of the issue here may be that Wild Wild West is a product of genre mixing, or (more precisely) one genre wearing the costumes of another. WWW was a light-hearted "high-concept" spy show set in the (TV Neverneverland version of) the Old West. Lots of TV shows seem to get pitched this way. ("It's Wagon Train in space!" "It's The Fugitive with UFOs!" "It's The Fugitive with [insert high concept here]!")

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[info]david_ellis
2007-04-10 01:03 am UTC (link)
I think the best label for it would be steampunk western (and I loved it, by the way---silly---but great fun).

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[info]david_ellis
2007-04-10 01:01 am UTC (link)
A sound and well-thought out analysis.


Science fiction is harder to write than mainstream fiction.


And within science fiction, post-singularity fiction(or posthuman fiction or transhumanist fiction, whatever you prefer to call it) is by far the hardest to write (as you should know---having written an excellent example of it in your GOLDEN AGE TRILOGY).

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[info]baduin
2007-04-10 12:36 pm UTC (link)
I must disagree with your statement that:

"In other words, any Science Fiction story that would make a good story with the science fiction elements ripped out, is a bad science fiction story, because then the science fiction elements are shown to be not integral to the work."

This statement in itself is defensible, if you will define Science Fiction in a certain way (eg similarly to Lem in Futurology).

You write however:

"A science fiction story is a success as science fiction if it includes that familiar sense of wonder which comes of contemplating what science might tell us, what the future might bring. SKYLARK OF SPACE is a good science fiction story because it is pure SF wonder, without any pause for characterization, and only the sketchiest plot. Why were the Fenachrone setting out the conquer the universe anyway? No one knows and no one cares. We want to see Richard Seaton blow up the Fenacrhone space-battlewagon with his third-order zone of force, assuming he can escape from the fourth-dimensional evil of the hyperplane."

In this story Seaton could be a magician in a standard fantasy world. There is no speculation about what the future might bring, (except some interesting points about movement in null-g) but a simple adventure tale. Nothing wrong with that - but according to your definition it is very bad SF. The sense of wonder is an ingredient in many different genres, and, without a scientific speculation, is not specific to SF.

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[info]johncwright
2007-04-10 02:58 pm UTC (link)
You make a good point. But I thought I was saying that SKYLARK is good SF qua SF, but not good qua story-telling.

Let me use a better example. In Gene Wolfe's SHADOW OF THE TORTURER, the relationship between Severian and Dorcas is as complex and subtle as anything in a good mainstream book, but it is predicated on the fact that he unknowingly brought her back to life from the dead: this is not a predicate that could be address in a maninstream book. Nor could the resserection angle be parsed out by an editor without damaging the rest of this particular plotline. His examination of what would really happen if a person were really recovered from the grave is well-done as speculation. It is both writing at its best and SF writing at its best.

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[info]baduin
2007-04-10 09:45 pm UTC (link)
And I replied that Skylark can be, and is, quite good storytelling, but is not good qua SF, because it has nearly no specific SF elements except some irrelevant window dressing.

It certainly wouldn't work as a realistic story, since that kind of personal power cannot be made to work in realistic genre. But it could work as a pirate story set during the age of discovery, somewhere on Pacific, (with Seaton creating his own kindom on Malaya islands- with obligatory half-nude princesses-and defeating an expansionist Chinese emperor-perhaps something in the style of Bridge of Birds?) or, as I said, as a fantasy story, with Seaton being a sorcerer discovering some ultimate tome of forbidden spells.

I would even say that it would work much better in those settings. As SF it is getting ridiculous in the end, when Seaton (who began by accidentally finding some kind of atomic catalyst) is destroying a whole galaxis with the help of a coven of witches.

Gene Wolfe, to the contrary, is good both as story telling, as literature, and as SF.

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The Book of the New Sun
[info]oscillon
2007-04-13 03:15 am UTC (link)
I never really did understand what was going on in the New Sun books. I need to reread it. It is one of my favorite and most remembered scifi books though. Bizarre. I gave it to another guy who reads scifi like I do (a lot). He had the exact same experience. Loved it but never exactly knew what was going on. I assumed it was intentional.

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